Cure for MPB?

[chewytorch]

Would they ever release a true CURE for MPB. People say "It won't happen because then there would be no market." Is there any truth to that. Makes me feel so damn helpless. :(

[BoSox]

Hair cloning (also known as Hair Multiplication, HM) will be the ultimate cure to MPB. I know people are pessimistic about this being released in the near future, but they are just use to promises that fail to deliver.


The earliest release of HM will be sometime in 2012, by 2015 HM will be wide spread as the #1 treatment for MPB. I just hope what they say is true about the cost being less than a traditional Hair Transplant.

Better start saving your money (:

[Jcm800]

Yeah, that's the problem in my case-money.

All these new treatments in development sound promising, being able to afford it, isn't.

Ah well, just have to wait and see.

[CVAZBAR]

Hair cloning (also known as Hair Multiplication, HM) will be the ultimate cure to MPB. I know people are pessimistic about this being released in the near future, but they are just use to promises that fail to deliver.


The earliest release of HM will be sometime in 2012, by 2015 HM will be wide spread as the #1 treatment for MPB. I just hope what they say is true about the cost being less than a traditional Hair Transplant.

Better start saving your money (:

Im not trying to be negative BOSOX but what makes you so confident that this will come about in 5 years or less? I sure hope it does ha.

[BoSox]

I've just done my research.. majority of what I've read convinced me that they are not far off. Most believed it would be out by 2012... it's 2011 now, so honestly have to be close.

[CVAZBAR]

I've just done my research.. majority of what I've read convinced me that they are not far off. Most believed it would be out by 2012... it's 2011 now, so honestly have to be close.

I've done research as well but don't think I've read anything like this. So according to your knowledge, who is the leader in the race? Who is coming out with hm first? And if hair is progressive, how will this work? Fill in whatevers lost or what?

[BoSox]

Aderans by 2015. Hair loss won't be progressive because they are duplicating DHT resistant hairs.

[CVAZBAR]

Aderans by 2015. Hair loss won't be progressive because they are duplicating DHT resistant hairs.
Well I was saying mostly the hair that you have already that is not resistant to dht. Will those hairs also benefit from this?

[BoSox]

Yes, from the studies it has been proven that hair follicles surrounded will benifit from these treatments. I know Histogen's HSC has already proven this.

Aderans is leading the pack for HM.. I'll put my trust in them because they have been successful in their phase II studies.. it's all about putting out in the market. This is what's taking longer than people hoped for, but like I said.. it's only a matter of time. Why wouldn't HM be out soon anyways, with all the progress made? Doesn't make sense to me. Most experts predicted it to be out a year from now, but respectfully it's always safe to add a year.. or 2.. Not 20, like most people think.

Maybe I'm desperate, or just really gullible.. but when you read up on the clinical trials, it's not about whether this procedure will work, it's already proven.. getting it out in the market is the annoying part.

[CVAZBAR]

Well I hope your right. Thanks for the info

[mlao]

This is why I think Aderans may be the sleeping giant in this they are taking DHT resistance into account. And like I've said in earlier posts. They're small by drug company standards but not in comparison to Histogen and Follica plus they are well into phase 2 trials and had the foresight to buy all of the Intercytex research. I for one would gladly go to a Bosley doctor if their therapy became available first.

[CVAZBAR]

This is why I think Aderans may be the sleeping giant in this they are taking DHT resistance into account. And like I've said in earlier posts. They're small by drug company standards but not in comparison to Histogen and Follica plus they are well into phase 2 trials and had the foresight to buy all of the Intercytex research. I for one would gladly go to a Bosley doctor if their therapy became available first.

I guess that's the only problem. Bosleys reputation

[mlao]

I guess that's the only problem. Bosleys reputation

Given the fact that people on this site have said they would fly to Asia to get the Histogen procedure. Going to an American doctor that I can research on the internet feels a whole lot safer to me.

[CVAZBAR]

Spencer should try and get someone from aderans to talk about their progress. I haven't heard anything from them since I came to this site. I want updates on their trials and maybe a timeframe on availability.

[CVAZBAR]

Hair cloning (also known as Hair Multiplication, HM) will be the ultimate cure to MPB. I know people are pessimistic about this being released in the near future, but they are just use to promises that fail to deliver.


The earliest release of HM will be sometime in 2012, by 2015 HM will be wide spread as the #1 treatment for MPB. I just hope what they say is true about the cost being less than a traditional Hair Transplant.

Better start saving your money (:

Yo Bosox, I did some more research on HM and it seems you're right that it actually did work for everyone. The problem is that some people had bad results. So it don't seem it will guarantee you maximum results. Do you know anything about this? Have you heard about any improvement on this recently?

[gmonasco]

Aderans by 2015. Hair loss won't be progressive because they are duplicating DHT resistant hairs.

You need keep in mind that "DHT resistant hair" really means "less susceptible to DHT" -- it isn't completely immune from the effects of DHT.

[gmonasco]

Aderans is leading the pack for HM.. I'll put my trust in them because they have been successful in their phase II studies.

Have they?

According to Aderans, the results of the trial (the second step in a proposed series of seven clinical observations) showed “significant hair growth” in over 50% of participants at the one year mark.

The press release, whether intentional or not, does not contain certain, objective details: What does “significant hair growth” mean? Are these new hairs resistant to dihydrotestosterone (DHT – the hormone directly responsible for genetic hair loss)? Why were no objective “before and after” images released? What type of results were observed in the 50% of patients who did not see new growth?

http://tinyurl.com/4u5khbt

[CVAZBAR]

Have they?



http://tinyurl.com/4u5khbt

Thanks, seems like it's always the same shit. "Significant growth" but never 100% Of the people benefit. Someone always loses. It also seems they still got work to do before it's available. I wonder how long it takes to get the next results. They are expecting improvement each time. Let's see what happens. Fucken hate waiting.

[HairyHair]

Maybe I'm desperate, or just really gullible.. but when you read up on the clinical trials, it's not about whether this procedure will work, it's already proven.. getting it out in the market is the annoying part.

Yes, it's usually the making it available to the public part that's annoying but that's also when we doubt the research because why can't they just get it out? Either there's something wrong with the product/study or the health department's (or FDA or whoever's responsible) giving them a hard time.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Yes, from the studies it has been proven that hair follicles surrounded will benifit from these treatments. I know Histogen's HSC has already proven this.

Aderans is leading the pack for HM.. I'll put my trust in them because they have been successful in their phase II studies.. it's all about putting out in the market. This is what's taking longer than people hoped for, but like I said.. it's only a matter of time. Why wouldn't HM be out soon anyways, with all the progress made? Doesn't make sense to me. Most experts predicted it to be out a year from now, but respectfully it's always safe to add a year.. or 2.. Not 20, like most people think.

Maybe I'm desperate, or just really gullible.. but when you read up on the clinical trials, it's not about whether this procedure will work, it's already proven.. getting it out in the market is the annoying part.

Hey bro I was curious about this particular part of your post. Just wanted to know if it's already proven because of hearsay from doctors/scientists/researchers or is their actual visual proof of hm being a proven treatment?

[RichardDawkins]

HairyHair really hit it here.

Everyone of those HM Researchers want to serve the mass market.The mass market and therefore one has to be quiet and the other one (Histogen) gives away brief informations, but thats good for us because it keeps this hm research rolling.

If it would be otherwise i would really really start to pray (as an atheist).

Also another problem is, if both get on the market and one treatment is a little bit more efficient well then everything was for nothing for the "less" impressive treatment.

I said it before the only thing pretty much fucked up here is the waiting time. I also agree 1 to 2 years for stuff like Histogen or Ari and 2 years or 3 for Acell plucking things to be efficient.

But this crap talk " At least 10 years (i really saw someon who said 50 years) is just plain stupid especially in regards that even sceptical docs right now are not so "Loud" when it comes to lets say Acell criticism.

I wouldnt exactly pinpoint money as a problem here because the mass market situation will gain them more money then only to milk rich people.

You have to see, even if Histogen would put out their product today, it would if you some the small scale experiment up, at least give you back 2 levels on the Norwood scale. Considered it works also on NW7 oldies.

But i cant stress this enough, i have doubts about this stuff to work in extensive scar tissue.

As someone here said, he has done his research. And i can underline this, everyone who does the research by himself will see ok the working is not that much of a problem, but the limitations are.

Limitations like scars for example. I really really support Acell but i think that Acell and plucked hairs can only grow in "good" scars and not in really extensive fleshy butcher ones.

Sorry to come up with this but as i said iam not an overly optimistic sunshine guy. I see it from a realistic standpoint and can say

1) Yes hairloss can be put to a full stop
2) Hairloss can be reversed to a certain point
3) In some years yes you dont have to make compromises between density and donor depleation

But

1) No i believe HM wont work in extensive scar tissue
2) People with extensive hairloss over more then two to three decades will have to undergo more HM treatments, thats for sure

3) The donor area should also be treated with HM because better safe then sorry

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Will this work (HM in transplanted areas? I say Yes and no. It will work in good transplantation sites but it wont work to that good extent in scar recipient areas.

[CAlex]

Im not even excited hair cloning :) I realize these comments will sound ridiculous to anyone who has extensive loss already and/or fears more.

I cant believe that the method of poking holes in ones head and having hairs place there will ever be able to match the natural results that a histogen or follica method (inducing the body to grow new hairs) has the potential to produce.

I realize we still need to see what density histogen can produce with its phase 2 protocols but Im much more behind follica and histogen types of treatment.

Just my 2cents on the cloning issue

[PatientlyWaiting]

Im not even excited hair cloning :) I realize these comments will sound ridiculous to anyone who has extensive loss already and/or fears more.

I cant believe that the method of poking holes in ones head and having hairs place there will ever be able to match the natural results that a histogen or follica method (inducing the body to grow new hairs) has the potential to produce.

I realize we still need to see what density histogen can produce with its phase 2 protocols but Im much more behind follica and histogen types of treatment.

Just my 2cents on the cloning issue

I'm with you on that one. I don't want any surgery. A surgery is not a cure. Inducing the body to promote new hairs sounds much better and hopefully won't cost an arm like I think hm will.

[BoSox]

I'm all for Histogen's regenerative method to regain your hair in a more natural way. I'm just stressed out because I have slight thinning going on, with a Norwood 2. I don't want my hair to get any worse then it is now since 2015 is the earliest they predict for HSC to come out.


BTW, is that the real Richard Dawkins?

[ThinFast]

I'm all for Histogen's regenerative method to regain your hair in a more natural way. I'm just stressed out because I have slight thinning going on, with a Norwood 2. I don't want my hair to get any worse then it is now since 2015 is the earliest they predict for HSC to come out.


BTW, is that the real Richard Dawkins?

When you say 2015, do you mean release in the U.S.? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it will be available in Asia in 2012, and not just as a clinical trial.

[mlao]

When you say 2015, do you mean release in the U.S.? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it will be available in Asia in 2012, and not just as a clinical trial.

I think if you look back in some of the archives they are still saying 2013 for Asia and 2015 for the US and Europe.

[ThinFast]

Thanks for clearing that up for me mlao.

I was going to start a new thread asking this question, but might as well propose it here. I am considering calling up Aderans to see if they will accept me in for their phase II clinical trials. I haven't called up the regional center closest to me that is conducting the trials to get specifics, but I assume it would follow normal protocols. Basically, they make a small punch in the back of your head where the best hair is, which require a few stitches.. They then send it to their lab to cultivate it. When it's ready, they bring you back in and inject their "cure" back into your scalp. This is at no cost to the person being experimented on (and there may even be compensation for the experimentee). The issue is that they have a few different formulas they're testing for efficacy, and I'm assuming there's a placebo as well. You obviously don't know which you're getting. I'm at a point in my hairloss where I will probably end up shaving it within the next year if nothing works to slow it down. I have no transplants and actually have a smooth head with no scars. I wouldn't want to voluntarily put one (albeit a small one) in my head with no way to hide it until they release their product which is currently due to be out in the US in 2015 (which I'm also assuming that they would give you the final product with the highest efficacy for free, something typical of experimental protocol). The question is, is being a participant in their study something you guys would consider doing?

[gmonasco]

The question is, is being a participant in their study something you guys would consider doing?

I think it's something people should consider only if their motivation is advancing the cause of science and not because they think it's a way of getting a "cure" administered more quickly than waiting for the testing and approval process to be completed.

[mlao]

I agree with gmonasco. There would probably a lot of protocol that you would have to follow. i.e. not using propecia or minoxidil and keeping your hair the same length for the duration of the trial. I read on hairsite some posts from a guy who claimed to be
in their trials I think he used the name bald half truth.

[UK_]

Yes, from the studies it has been proven that hair follicles surrounded will benifit from these treatments. I know Histogen's HSC has already proven this.

Aderans is leading the pack for HM.. I'll put my trust in them because they have been successful in their phase II studies.. it's all about putting out in the market. This is what's taking longer than people hoped for, but like I said.. it's only a matter of time. Why wouldn't HM be out soon anyways, with all the progress made? Doesn't make sense to me. Most experts predicted it to be out a year from now, but respectfully it's always safe to add a year.. or 2.. Not 20, like most people think.

Maybe I'm desperate, or just really gullible.. but when you read up on the clinical trials, it's not about whether this procedure will work, it's already proven.. getting it out in the market is the annoying part.

Yeah Aderans also sort of fits in nicely with the evolution of transplants aswel, I think their procedure could be well conflated with a traditional HT to give you that extra density and thickness.

Would Aderans sway any of you toward Bosley though? Lol.

[matlondon]

if ir grew my temples area back yes.

[mlao]

Yeah Aderans also sort of fits in nicely with the evolution of transplants aswel, I think their procedure could be well conflated with a traditional HT to give you that extra density and thickness.

Would Aderans sway any of you toward Bosley though? Lol.

Well like I've said before there are at least thirty guys on this forum who claim they will jump on a plane and fly to Singapore to have a brand new growth factor shot into their scalp on the day it's released.
So if Aderans were to release a product in a Western country it would no doubt be scrutinized by the media and there would be press coverage we would all understand. You would be able to interview the doctor beforehand.
Plus Aderans would be culpable to the FDA and US legal system. I think we have to get over the Bosley/Aderans connection and assume that a company who has been pursuing this research for a long time might come up with something. Just my opinion.
And no I don't own stock in Aderans!

[matlondon]

Well like I've said before there are at least thirty guys on this forum who claim they will jump on a plane and fly to Singapore to have a brand new growth factor shot into their scalp on the day it's released.
So if Aderans were to release a product in a Western country it would no doubt be scrutinized by the media and there would be press coverage we would all understand. You would be able to interview the doctor beforehand.
Plus Aderans would be culpable to the FDA and US legal system. I think we have to get over the Bosley/Aderans connection and assume that a company who has been pursuing this research for a long time might come up with something. Just my opinion.
And no I don't own stock in Aderans!
i think theyll be more that 30 guys going over.

[Fixed by 35]

I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

[UK_]

I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

When you say 'repressive hell hole' are you referring to the general conservatism and social controls adopted by recent Singaporean Governments? The same social controls that have kept drug trafficking, prostitution and gun crime significantly lower than that of cesspit havens for corporate conmen, corrupt politicians and absolute social inequality (i.e. America).

I understand the majority of Singaporeans live in public housing, however they also experience some of the best standards of living on the face of this planet today. Singapore has become one of the world's most prosperous places on earth - with glittering skyscrapers and a thriving port. What are you comparing Singapore to anyway? America? In that case you're comparing Singapore to a nation which currently houses a circa 9 - 11% unemployment rate, circa 20% of its population living beneath the poverty line and an ultra-liberalised economic system that has caused the greatest world bankruptcy to ever embrace modern civilisations.

Believe me, Americans and the west at the moment are far more 'depressed' than the likes of Asian economies.

[matlondon]

I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

i will not be goign there to experience its culture, but to fill in my temples.