artistry concepts

[cuts]

hi I have a old scar on the back of my head running from ear to ear is white now and just a little red I was thinking of going to artistry concepts to cover up my scar. There are a lot of people against cosmetic tattoos but I want to hear from people who actually went to AC or no someone who went there specifically instead of someone who got a tattoo from somewhere else. I only heard of one person saying her husband got a bad tattoo from there but she also said that he had a raised scar from multiple scar revisions. That topic is on the hair loss forum I want to join that site but cant figure out how to do so. Also if any for you could tell me how to join it would be appreciated. I asked a plastic surgeon about lasers to reduce scar and he said it had too much of a chance to screw up the scar and make it worse. Let me know what you think!!

[MarkNelson]

As do I! Thanks for posting.

[nyc76]

hi. i was also thinking about AC, but decided to have a consult with someone in NYC. My consult is tomorrow with a place called the Whitney Center. The person doing the work is Melan Whitney. If I like what I see, they will schedule an appt to do the work sometime in the end of May. Does anyone know anything about Melany Whitney?

My concerns with AC are: 1) they are not really affiliated with any plastic surgeons, 2) the guy is not a makeup artist (he's a tattoo artist), 3) there is very little information on the type if "ink" / pigment he is using and 4) he works out of his home (so i hear).

Not saying that AC is bad (I don't know) but Melany's operations seems more professional/legit.

Thoughts?

[BobbyA]

I don't know too much about Melan Whitney, but I have just recently had the Artistry Concepts hybrid method completed on myself. I can tell you AC is LEGIT. I am confident AC is better than any makeup artist you would consider to fix hairloss. The owner has a patent on his method and makes his own ink. He has been in this line of work for 20-30 years. That's pretty credible.

I've had my new look for 2 months now and NOBODY has noticed that I had any work done. This is the most important aspect to me. No more stress!

If your skeptical of AC, I would advise you to check out the Testimonial portion of their website. It is full of reactions to the AC procedure from men with no obligation to speak for AC. In other words its real talk, no bull. This is where I found my confidence to get the procedure done, and I am so happy that I did!

[nyc76]

I had my consult with Melany Whitney from the Whitney Center - not a good choice. Her staff was rude and she was unwilling to answer questions....which is always a bad sign.

I have not found someone to perform my micropigmentation scar camouflage yet as I am very concerned with getting someone who is qualified and honest. For what it is worth, here are my thoughts on artistry concepts:

testimonials are great, but can easily be falsified. pictures would be more helpful and a phone conversation (or meeting) with an actual client would be even more helpful.

concerned with anyone who claims that they "make their own ink" and is willing to insert it into the body without a third party approving the ink/pigment. (same concern with their special instrumentation)

concerned with anyone who would make a business model from tattooing dots over someone's entire scalp. for donor scar cover up, it is acceptable. as a remedy for hair loss...it borders on unethical services.

question why no one who has had the procedure performed by AC has posted pictures on third party forums (not AC's website). generally, if they were thrilled with the results they would make others aware.

concerned with the lack of affiliation with any reputable doctors (cosmetic surgeons, hair transplant offices, etc.).

concern about working from home.

In conclusion, while my search continues, I am unlikely to consider AC for the above reasons. For all of you out there, I honestly don't care if you chose to go to AC or not....I don't have a horse in this race. Just someone who is getting my opinion out there to provoke real thought from people in a similar situation.

My path will likely take me to one of the best micropigmentologist in the country as I am confident that is my best option. When selecting someone they should be willing to:

perform a test patch
discuss how scar tissue is diff with respect to pigment
answer all your questions (ink, needles, expectations, number of procedures, etc.)
provide at least 1 client with whom you can speak
provide photos and indicate how many scar camouflages they have done

best of luck....

[Delphi]

I’ve said this before but tattooing your scalp is a really bad idea on several levels, but if someone does decide to do it it should be for very small areas, like scars and such. One place that I think looks very shady is artistry concepts. They seem to be creeping up on all of the forums and the posts look like spam to me. Their website is extremely unprofessional too. Shady!

[cuts]

Hi thank you all for your thoughts. I am happy to hear from you guys!! I wrote several emails to AC and they said that since I live so far away form their location it might be best to try something more locally, since I am just doing the scar they said pigment doesn't always take the first time into the scar if at all. AC said first they would match the color of the scar with the surrounding skin and then 2 weeks later do the dot procedure to mimic hair growing.

I think I would be a good candidate for micropigmintation because my scar is several years old now and it is not raised or swollen. I also did not damage my scar further with any other scar revisions. AC was very professional with there responses not trying to get money from me like HT doctors.(dr. micheal sheps) I am going to go to a micropigmintation place that I hear is good and just talk to them and hear what they have to say. If I dont like what they have to say I might just invest time and money and go to AC, because every scar is different but I think for my scar old thin white and not raised micropigmintation is my best option. Ill keep you guys posted, We should all keep in touch and help each other out!!

(Bobby A, did you do the scar procedure or just the ac procedure for balding.)

[oeymello]

Has anyone actually gone there and tried this? I've been emailing them and I think about doing this every day but I'm a little skeptical still. Plus I live in California and the idea of flying to Florida with not really knowing what to expect sounds scary and costly....ANY IDEAS anyone???? thank you

[oeymello]

Have you heard/learned anything more about AC? Does anyone else do this who isn't on the east coast? (I'm in soCal) Thanks...

[Delphi]

You would have to be out of your mind to have this done and to travel across the country to tattoo your head would be even more ridiculous!

[oeymello]

have you done this or seen anyone who actually has?

[Delphi]

I would NEVER even consider doing something so ridiculous. I have seen it in person and it does not look natural at all! It's a tattoo on your head!!!

[Bubb729]

has anyone done this procedure.. I'm really lookinginto this n want some feedback on someone whose done this.. AX considerably

[KeepTheHair]

It's a bad idea man...

[Good Look Ink]

has anyone done this procedure.. I'm really lookinginto this n want some feedback on someone whose done this.. AX considerably

Contact them at www.****************

[Bubb729]

yea GLI.. way to go, that's how you get a potential clients attention.. make fun of his typo :rolleyes:.. ARTISTRY CONCEPTS CONSIDERABLY (AC/ not AX oops) this is for those who have had their procedure done with AC, please reply with any positive or negative info

[krauss]

I don't know too much about Melan Whitney, but I have just recently had the Artistry Concepts hybrid method completed on myself. I can tell you AC is LEGIT. I am confident AC is better than any makeup artist you would consider to fix hairloss. The owner has a patent on his method and makes his own ink. He has been in this line of work for 20-30 years. That's pretty credible.

I've had my new look for 2 months now and NOBODY has noticed that I had any work done. This is the most important aspect to me. No more stress!

If your skeptical of AC, I would advise you to check out the Testimonial portion of their website. It is full of reactions to the AC procedure from men with no obligation to speak for AC. In other words its real talk, no bull. This is where I found my confidence to get the procedure done, and I am so happy that I did!

This guy seems to be o.k. with his.....

[RobinSigismondi]

We have seen a number of patients use Tattoo to cover/conceal old transplant scars with good success. If it's done well, it is definitely an option to use to help improve the cosmetic appearance of the scar.

Keep in mind tattoo is not permanent and as it fades, you will need to return for touch up procedures to keep the color natural.

Good luck!

[deanvh]

Hey NYC76, How did your visit with Whitney go also has anyone seen results from Artistry Concepts?

[deanvh]

Have you heard/learned anything more about AC? Does anyone else do this who isn't on the east coast? (I'm in soCal) Thanks...

Hey OYEMELLO, I also am thinking about A.C. I live in L.A. , have you heard of any clinics here that sound as good as A.C.?

[Bubb729]

hey, idk about u guys but liquidish's pic on the AC website (testimonials portion) looks extremely horrible.. sorry liquidish, just being honest.. but if that's 6 months post, that's not good.. but on a positive note it seems as though Liq had this done long b4 the ACHM2 method was developed. so i really feel as though comparing his results to that of those performed under the new method is unfair.. i honestly feel that Mark has developed a new procedure and has grown incredibly in this field.. so maybe comparing his 2010 workalong with his future work should be our main focus.. I'm really leaning towards getting this done but still extremely skeptical..

[krauss]

hey, idk about u guys but liquidish's pic on the AC website (testimonials portion) looks extremely horrible.. sorry liquidish, just being honest.. but if that's 6 months post, that's not good.. but on a positive note it seems as though Liq had this done long b4 the ACHM2 method was developed. so i really feel as though comparing his results to that of those performed under the new method is unfair.. i honestly feel that Mark has developed a new procedure and has grown incredibly in this field.. so maybe comparing his 2010 workalong with his future work should be our main focus.. I'm really leaning towards getting this done but still extremely skeptical..

Yeah, I think so too. There are a couple more photos on his research page. I think Mark has incredible guts to post his early work. Hes not afraid to show people where hes been and where he is now. yeah, he is obviously forging ahead in our best interests. Wish he could make it grow hair....LOL.

[Bubb729]

Yea, don't we all wish it would grow, just for options purposes, create different hairstyles including the buzz. Bit its better than having nothing, in my opinion.. creates an appearance of a hairline with a short buzz like haircut thats visually undetectable. for me that would work great considering I'm spanish/and black, so its been a preferable choice of cut through most of my life if not all

[deanvh]

I also live in California (L.A.) and have been thinking about making the trip to A.C. in Florida. I need help camoflauging my HT scars and thought this would be a great solution so I can get rid of the hairpiece and shave my head. Are you going to do it?

[deanvh]

Does anyone know if there is a place in Southern Cal. like A.C. They seem to really make it their pride to work on bald men. The places in L.A. claim to do it but it seems like they focus on female cosmetic micropigmentation like eyebrows and eyeliner and aereolas.

[Bubb729]

yes dean i think i am, seems like da best solution for me.. no scars, affordable, clean look.. it just feels like da right thing for me

[deanvh]

Do you also have alot of ht scars on the back and sides of your head?

[Bubb729]

no, never had an an ht done..I'm not in any rush to do it, hex it may take months if not a year or 2 b4 I even take a step towards making arrangements.. i gotta be sure that its efficient and AC's work is dependable

[Jack21]

I am a HT victim. Bad strip scar and very little coverage on top. I have been in contact with AC. Have been e-mailing back and forth for about a week. The procedure for HT disasters is between $6500-$8500. I told her that I would need a lot of time to do more research and get back to them. I live reasonably close so I've considered actually driving down there and checking out the head of someone who's actually had it done. I won't shell out that kind of money and take that kind of risk before I actually see someone who's had it done. No way.

Do you also have alot of ht scars on the back and sides of your head?

[Delphi]

That is highway robbery! The most intricate tattoos in the world cost a mere fraction of that price. I can’t believe Artistry Concepts has the audacity to charge those prices for a head tattoo that will look like crap in a few years!!!! This is outrageous!

[Jack21]

The most expensive tattoo I ever got cost close to $1,000 and its most of my back (color). The deposit that they want is more than that. It is crazy.

That is highway robbery! The most intricate tattoos in the world cost a mere fraction of that price. I can’t believe Artistry Concepts has the audacity to charge those prices for a head tattoo that will look like crap in a few years!!!! This is outrageous!

[Jack21]

I do have to qualify that. The "procedure" is a lot less expensive if you do not have surgical scars. ca. $2000-$3000 and less if you have more hair of course. They know how desperate men will pay ANYTHING to have their hair back or the appearance thereof. Preying on the desperate is a brilliant tactic if you have absolutely no moral compass, no sense of right or wrong, no heart at all. Preying on the desperate is despicable especially on those who will never come out in public and make accusations for fear of horrible embarassment.


That is highway robbery! The most intricate tattoos in the world cost a mere fraction of that price. I can’t believe Artistry Concepts has the audacity to charge those prices for a head tattoo that will look like crap in a few years!!!! This is outrageous!

[dgman21]

I have been shedding the last couple months awhole lot. I don't get it. How long do normal sheds last and can the hair that you lose real quick grow back? How could a couple months be so noticeable? Anybody with the same issue?

[Jack21]

I was injured pretty badly in 08. My hair had been not thick but thick enough to look fine with a bit of toppik until then. After the injury I started to shed like crazy. I lost as much hair in about a month as I had over the past 10 years in one fell swoop. It was shocking.

This is pre-injury (but with toppik)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o155/allonelk/athens6.jpg

This is post injury

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o155/allonelk/Picture055.jpg

Obviously my hair is shaved in the after picture, but it is buzzed b/c grown out it was not thick enough anymore to support the toppik fibers. They just cascaded down my face.


I have been shedding the last couple months awhole lot. I don't get it. How long do normal sheds last and can the hair that you lose real quick grow back? How could a couple months be so noticeable? Anybody with the same issue?

[Jack21]

I have to further qualify what I wrote earlier. The price I listed was purely speculative. It seems to me now after poring over the sight for a very long time (I have obviously been thinking about this for a couple of months) that the price is assessed on a case by case basis. The only way to know how much it costs is to send in detailed photographs of your head from all angles and to include photos of scars if there are any. The scars obviously have a lot to do with price determination b/c the artist has to do his work on scar tissue which is not always very friendly to the needle and makes things a whole lot more difficult. Having spent almost 2 months looking over the sights of the places that offer this or a similar type of service and staring and staring at the photos they have posted I am convinced that AC really knows what they are doing. The video from Slovakian TV really impresses me.

I've changed my view on AC as far as the money goes. I really don't think that they're predators like the big hair piece clubs or certain unscrupulous surgeons . As I've mentioned many times before my surgeon was a very moral guy when it came to the whole HT. I mean he did almost everything to just try and get rid of me because he suspected that my expectations were not realistic. I get the exact same vibe from AC. I mean their site tells you that if you have had a HT NOT TO EXPECT the same results that you would get had you not had the procedure. Those are not the words of a predatory "we just want your money" type of operation.


I do have to qualify that. The "procedure" is a lot less expensive if you do not have surgical scars. ca. $2000-$3000 and less if you have more hair of course. They know how desperate men will pay ANYTHING to have their hair back or the appearance thereof. Preying on the desperate is a brilliant tactic if you have absolutely no moral compass, no sense of right or wrong, no heart at all. Preying on the desperate is despicable especially on those who will never come out in public and make accusations for fear of horrible embarassment.

[Jack21]

I was completely off about price. It is entirely case to case.

I am a HT victim. Bad strip scar and very little coverage on top. I have been in contact with AC. Have been e-mailing back and forth for about a week. The procedure for HT disasters is between $6500-$8500. I told her that I would need a lot of time to do more research and get back to them. I live reasonably close so I've considered actually driving down there and checking out the head of someone who's actually had it done. I won't shell out that kind of money and take that kind of risk before I actually see someone who's had it done. No way.

[Gubter_87]

It seems his hair clinic has now also opened in the US.

[Gubter_87]

By the way jack21; I think your hair looks very good in the post shed picture above. The short hair style suits you and you still have a nice hairline that frames the face.
If you say that you are not able to grow it out then I believe you. But you should not feel bad about your appearance. If there is a bad strip scar in the back why don't you try scalp pigmentation (however I would never try permanent tattooing over it in case you are not happy or it looks weird down the line).

Also is another HT out of the question?

I am still thinking about getting a HT, I know that since I am balding in a NW6 pattern I would not get super density, but maybe it would still be enough. And at the end of the day if the worst case scenario would happen and I have depleted my donor and can't have another HT then I would probably get the scalp pigmentation over the scar and fill out my scalp as well.
I reckon that if the pigment is just used to add density where there is already hair - that it looks really good!

End of the day - choice is yours. But from that picture I think your hair alreday looks really good - but I understand if the scar in the back is bothering you.

[Jack21]

If I had it to do over again - as I have said a million times before - I would NEVER have gotten a HT. Another procedure would be absolutely out of the question. I've even been advised by a physician that although there are surgical means of disguising a strip scar, "medical tattooing" would be my best option. I always advise against HT. It has really made my life miserable. It was my decision, however. I blame no one but myself, but I wish every single day of my life that I could go back and undo what I did.

By the way jack21; I think your hair looks very good in the post shed picture above. The short hair style suits you and you still have a nice hairline that frames the face.
If you say that you are not able to grow it out then I believe you. But you should not feel bad about your appearance. If there is a bad strip scar in the back why don't you try scalp pigmentation (however I would never try permanent tattooing over it in case you are not happy or it looks weird down the line).

Also is another HT out of the question?

I am still thinking about getting a HT, I know that since I am balding in a NW6 pattern I would not get super density, but maybe it would still be enough. And at the end of the day if the worst case scenario would happen and I have depleted my donor and can't have another HT then I would probably get the scalp pigmentation over the scar and fill out my scalp as well.
I reckon that if the pigment is just used to add density where there is already hair - that it looks really good!

End of the day - choice is yours. But from that picture I think your hair alreday looks really good - but I understand if the scar in the back is bothering you.

[Jack21]

Also, Gubter, I'm not sure but i think that in the after picture I have a bit of thickening spray in my hair. Its either that or the angle that makes my hair appear thicker than it is.


By the way jack21; I think your hair looks very good in the post shed picture above. The short hair style suits you and you still have a nice hairline that frames the face.
If you say that you are not able to grow it out then I believe you. But you should not feel bad about your appearance. If there is a bad strip scar in the back why don't you try scalp pigmentation (however I would never try permanent tattooing over it in case you are not happy or it looks weird down the line).

Also is another HT out of the question?

I am still thinking about getting a HT, I know that since I am balding in a NW6 pattern I would not get super density, but maybe it would still be enough. And at the end of the day if the worst case scenario would happen and I have depleted my donor and can't have another HT then I would probably get the scalp pigmentation over the scar and fill out my scalp as well.
I reckon that if the pigment is just used to add density where there is already hair - that it looks really good!

End of the day - choice is yours. But from that picture I think your hair alreday looks really good - but I understand if the scar in the back is bothering you.

[Gubter_87]

Jack we have spoken in a previous thread about hair transplants, and I am sorry you feel the way you do. What exactly is it that gets you down about it though?

For me, having hair (although the density might not be perfect) is better than having to shave it all off because of the horseshoe. My final balding pattern is fairly established, so would naturally plan to loose it all.
I also realise that I will most certainly need more than one procedure, and maybe even a third.

[Jack21]

Gubter,

What happened to me was that I was using concealers in my hair and had been doing so for a couple of years when I got the HT. After the procedure I continued using concealers and it was fine except for the fact that I had to wear my hair longer on the sides and back because of the strip scar. Eventually I got used to wearing my hair a bit longer and all was well for a while. Just over two years ago it got to the point where there was more paint and powder on my head than than there was hair, and it was very obvious. Soon after it got the point where I didn't even have enough density on top to support the hair fibers (even with the transplanted hair). Maybe if I had never used concealers I would not have expected much from the procedure.

In short I wish that I would have just shaved my head instead of doing any of the things I did to "fight" my balding. Now I have a shaved head anyway and I have a lovely smiley face scar at the back of my head which makes me extremely self-conscious and miserable.

Jack we have spoken in a previous thread about hair transplants, and I am sorry you feel the way you do. What exactly is it that gets you down about it though?

For me, having hair (although the density might not be perfect) is better than having to shave it all off because of the horseshoe. My final balding pattern is fairly established, so would naturally plan to loose it all.
I also realise that I will most certainly need more than one procedure, and maybe even a third.

[Gubter_87]

I am truly sorry to hear about your bad experience. But honestly mate, if it gets you spel why not at least consult with a good ht clinic. Mpb is progressive and more than one surgery is often needed. I mean you already have the scar. I am not suggesting you to rush into anything, but I dont see what youve got too kokar by having ur situation properly assessed by a professional. I have seen people way worse off than you get amazing results. Another option would be to try scalp pigmentation. New hair institute have started working with his hair clinic and it is now available in the us. If you dont like it, than it is reversible and you would only have lost some money. These are the two options I am planning for if I would be in your shoes in a couple of years.

I hope things work out for you though. Stay in touch and let me know how it goes. Btw did u get on propecia after ur transplant to prevent further loss?

[Gubter_87]

I am truly sorry to hear about your bad experience. But honestly mate, if it gets you down why not at least consult with a good ht clinic. Mpb is progressive and more than one surgery is often needed. I mean you already have the scar. I am not suggesting you to rush into anything, but I dont see what youve got too loose by having ur situation properly assessed by a professional. I have seen people way worse off than you get amazing results. Another option would be to try scalp pigmentation. New hair institute have started working with his hair clinic and it is now available in the us. If you dont like it, than it is reversible and you would only have lost some money. These are the two options I am planning for if I would be in your shoes in a couple of years.

I hope things work out for you though. Stay in touch and let me know how it goes. Btw did u get on propecia after ur transplant to prevent further loss?

[Jack21]

Gubter,

I was on propecia after the transplant. I am considering scalp pigmentation/ medical tattooing. I have seen a plastic surgeon who told me that in his opinion my best bet would be medical tattooing. It is apparently possible to perform FUE into the scar but the results are quite unpredictable. That is what I was told by the plastic surgeon I saw and what I read posted by at least one surgeon who performs HTs.

I am truly sorry to hear about your bad experience. But honestly mate, if it gets you down why not at least consult with a good ht clinic. Mpb is progressive and more than one surgery is often needed. I mean you already have the scar. I am not suggesting you to rush into anything, but I dont see what youve got too loose by having ur situation properly assessed by a professional. I have seen people way worse off than you get amazing results. Another option would be to try scalp pigmentation. New hair institute have started working with his hair clinic and it is now available in the us. If you dont like it, than it is reversible and you would only have lost some money. These are the two options I am planning for if I would be in your shoes in a couple of years.

I hope things work out for you though. Stay in touch and let me know how it goes. Btw did u get on propecia after ur transplant to prevent further loss?

[Gubter_87]

But you haven't considered another transplant to get more density on top any be able to grow your hair long again?

Otherwise, as I said, New hair institute (Dr Rassman and Dr Pak) are now working with His hair clinic so it is possible to get it performed in the US.

[AntonRogan]

Hi, I'm new to the forum here, came across it as I heard about Micro Hair Tattooing a couple of days ago. I'm someone who really wants to shave his head but my HT scars are keeping me from doing it. The Tattooing looks like a possible option for me.... So far I've only heard about a few a places that do it in England and this place in Florida... Anyone know of any thing close to Vancouver Canada area?

[flightjunkie]

Hi, I'm new to the forum here, came across it as I heard about Micro Hair Tattooing a couple of days ago. I'm someone who really wants to shave his head but my HT scars are keeping me from doing it. The Tattooing looks like a possible option for me.... So far I've only heard about a few a places that do it in England and this place in Florida... Anyone know of any thing close to Vancouver Canada area?

There is a place in MN, think its called Good Look INk. Their website address is mygoodlook.com

BTW - I've had 2 HT, have a thin scar from ear to ear that I'm thinking about getting tattooed. I'm just 2 hours away from AC but I'm looking at all the viable places in the US.

[damnhair]

Sorry to bring up such an old post, but has anyone gone through with this procedure? I'm seriously considering it, and looking for opinions/reviews of practitioners (artists lol). Any info is appreciated. Thanks!

[first]

The main problem I have with it is that the hairlines look way too straight and perfect. It's like someone put a template on top of the head and no hairs can grow outside that template line.

[saved from baldness]

I am a normal person with a less than normal job so I wont be saying my real name due to contract obligations that keep me from talking about this out in the open of public scrutiny. I searched the internet and scoured the internet for any info I could get on this procedure and found very little other than people who haven't had it done talking about it like they were experts. This post is not for the company... this post is not for the haters. This post is for the guy that was me 3 weeks ago. I got on a plane to Florida scared to death that I had made a terrible decision in putting down a deposit and buying plane tickets to have a procedure done that I knew very little about and very little info was available. I did however know that I was at the end of my rope on dealing with systems and the maintenance that came with them. I really wanted to be set free from this for once, not just conceal it. I arrived at Artistry Concepts at 10 am on a Monday morning and I was petrified. I walked in with a hat and sunglasses like I was jackie o :) I met robert and he shook my hand and said its ok man u don't have to wear your hat in here and that for some reason set me at ease. Robert has had the achm2 procedure done on himself and allowed me to see it as close as I wanted and in any light that I preferred. I am a VERY up front personI and if Roberts head looked in anyway less than stellar I would have walked out and forfeited my deposit and gone home. But I was really ready after seeing it in person. They shaved me down and we started the procedure and at first I laughed a little because it really was very light on the pain side but Robert warned me that after a day or so that the scalp becomes irritated and the procedure became more irritating. Day one we got about half way done and I sat for about 6 hrs. Now that might seem like a lot of time but im telling u, the follicles are so small because of the needles they use that it takes a good while to fill in spots. I left after the first day and yes my head was red and irritated but nothing I couldn't handle. The only thing that did concern me was how heavy and dark the follicles were but Robert assured me that they would fade into my reg color and I put my faith in him to know what he was doing. Day 2 I arrive at 9 am and we go straight to work and thru the day. Now I will say around 1 pm I started getting a lil pissy because my scalp was very tender and it seemed to me like we were done because the bald areas had been filled and now he was working into my hairline but now I can see be was blending it into the real follicles to make it look more natural. 3 pm im done. I shake Roberts hand and leave with his word that the follicles will settle into the skin and match my hair in a short time. The next day im on a plane home. Around day 5 post procedure I notice the follicles are lightened up a lot and really are giving me a nice soft hairline. Now im day 10 and yesterday was the first time I've gone out in public without my hat on in close to 7 years. I put my big sunglasses on so I could get a read on people.... u know that stare u always look for that people give u if ur hair piece is a little off? That one! And nothing. I look at it in the mirror from inches away and even knowing about it I am stunned by the results. I do not work for AC and I have no affiliation with them in any way other than being a customer. Admins feel free to look at where im posting this from...I don't live within a 1000 miles of AC. The only reason I post this is for the guy that is trying to find a way out of the situation they are in with baldness and are looking for a real answer... not a couple companies bickering back and forth about who is best and all of that nonsense. I am a real person that really went through with it and came out on the other side happy and content. I know a lot of haters fill these boards and that's fine because im not coming back, I will only read pm or emails from this point on. I hope this has helped at least one person to make their decision in one way or another but remember the choice is always yours ...not mine nor anyone else on this forum can make it for u. GOD BLESS!

[first]

I am a normal person with a less than normal job so I wont be saying my real name due to contract obligations that keep me from talking about this out in the open of public scrutiny.
Could you post some pictures?

[trapps91]

artistry concepts is pretty shady...tehy said they wouldnt consider me as a client becasue i told them i was looking around at other companies....In my 38 years ive never seem a company do that.....they preach that they are the one and only company that does it right, and if you have a few questions they will just say soory we wont consider you...
Now as for the tattooing on the scar it DOES work very well.....For the people who bash it....I guess walking around with a huge strip missing from doctors that you trusted is more than ok right???
But fixing it with somekind of solution is crazy????
For the ones who are thinking of it just ty it on the scar......its not perfecr but it does look better....once i get the second tattooing session done ill post a few pics...

[saved from baldness]

Traps say what u want but this pic says it all. 2 months after.
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[dublr2000]

Roughly what the price range? I know everyone is different. I just joined the forums to find info on this.

[morrison]

saved from baldness, are you really who you say you are? And not actually Artistry Concepts himself back up to his usual tricks?

The reason I ask is because I have been researching this kind of treatment for the past few years and when I contacted Artistry Concepts I was told that I could not meet any past clients as they do not keep any records (wtf??? a company who does not keep past client records) and that ALL their past clients are really happy and have moved on from hairloss etc. and do not wish to meet any potential clients. I was also told that prior to having the procedure I'd have to sign a document saying that I would not be allowed to talk about or post any of my pictures on any public forum. So saved from baldness, if you are who you claim you are then how have you managed to post your picture up here and post such a glowing report?

If I do end up getting this treatment done then it's only going to be with a company once I have satisfied myself by having seen multiple past clients in person as well as clients who had the procedure done many years ago to see how it has held up. If any company refuses to let me meet past clients then to me that will ring alarm bells and indicate that they have something to hide. Pictures can be altered, posted to look like something else, however meeting someone in person and seeing their head cannot be faked.

[saved from baldness]

saved from baldness, are you really who you say you are? And not actually Artistry Concepts himself back up to his usual tricks?

The reason I ask is because I have been researching this kind of treatment for......


This is why i dont visit these forums anymore.Everywhere i looked before i had the procedure people were saying"can someone please post a pic if you actually had this procedure" and then when someone does they start reading them the riot act. Personally I couldn't care less if you use artistry concepts or if you get a grey magic marker and draw dots on your head daily. I posted a pic that i took with my cell phone in normal lighting and posted it. Nothing added or taken away and as far as their privacy clause.... its my head and I will do as I please with it. No one will tell me that I cant post a pic of my head if I want to

[morrison]

A grey magic marker would be a more viable alternative, especially after what I've been reading what past Artistry Concepts clients have written on another hair loss forum.

The best of luck to you mate and I hope your treatment holds up for many years to come and does not turn out like the other posters in a few year's time.

In my view anyone considering this needs to see this in the flesh and on different people if need be. I'm certainly not going to be sold by a few pictures here and there, no thank you sir.

[saved from baldness]

A grey magic marker would be a more viable alternative, especially after what I've been reading what past Artistry Concepts clients have written on another hair loss forum.

The best of luck to you mate and I hope your treatment holds up for many years to come and does not turn out like the other posters in a few year's time.

In my view anyone considering this needs to see this in the flesh and on different people if need be. I'm certainly not going to be sold by a few pictures here and there, no thank you sir.


And that is fine. Dont do it if you dont think its for you. Its been months now and it looks better and better as time goes on and Id do it again tomorrow! I LOVE NOT WEARING A HAT OR A PIECE!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVEEE IIIITTT!!! I love not caring at all about taking my hat off in the airport!! I love going swimming... going running... working out... now more bandannas ... no more concealers!! I AM FREE OF ALL OF IT!!

[morrison]

I didn’t say it's not for me. I said a company like Artistry Concepts that is not willing to let potential clients meet its past clients to see the treatment with their own eyes is not one I'd consider going to (I mean what are they trying to hide?). I'm still researching this kind of treatment and there are other companies out there who are a lot more open and more than happy to let you meet past clients.

[insearchofhairtx]

saved from baldness, are you really who you say you are? And not actually Artistry Concepts himself back up to his usual tricks?

The reason I ask is because I have been researching this kind of treatment for the past few years and when I contacted Artistry Concepts I was told that I could not meet any past clients as they do not keep any records (wtf??? a company who does not keep past client records) and that ALL their past clients are really happy and have moved on from hairloss etc. and do not wish to meet any potential clients. I was also told that prior to having the procedure I'd have to sign a document saying that I would not be allowed to talk about or post any of my pictures on any public forum. So saved from baldness, if you are who you claim you are then how have you managed to post your picture up here and post such a glowing report?

If I do end up getting this treatment done then it's only going to be with a company once I have satisfied myself by having seen multiple past clients in person as well as clients who had the procedure done many years ago to see how it has held up. If any company refuses to let me meet past clients then to me that will ring alarm bells and indicate that they have something to hide. Pictures can be altered, posted to look like something else, however meeting someone in person and seeing their head cannot be faked.

AC is legit. I had my head done in mid summer 2011, and the result was awsome. I am totally satisfied with my result.

@morrison: I totally understand your concerns, but you have to understand that they can't disclose their clients' photos or contact information. I obviously don't want them to disclose my private information. I can sue them if they do that, and I am glad you brought it up that they keep my information private. When I got my done, the tech (Robert who did the work on my head), took a bunch of pictures of my new scalp. But since I didn't sign any papers to allow them to post my pics on the web or to show them to anybody, they legally can't show them to you.

And "saved from baldness" guy is real too because his hairline on the side is the same as mine. The middle frontal hairline of mine was originally like that of "saved from baldness" (round), but I asked Robert to add a slight widow peak to it as I did have a widow peak when I had a full head of hair. Keep in mind it's hard to ask AC to add a peak (or any other things) if your original hair didn't have them. They just simply will not do it because they consider that as extra and unatural work. They made it sound like they would do it but they will charge extra for it and they will not guarantee that it would look natural. They thought that it was unnatural and uneccessay work if you went beyond what you had. Weston looked to see if I did have a widow peak, and he was convinced that I had one because he saw a few hairs from the middle front tip of my crown.

If you or anyone in the Orange County, CA area, I can show you my head in person, but I am not going to post any pics on here unless you want to pay to see them as I have to take pictures, then ask for permision, plus putting AC water mark on photos to prevent other companies claim that they are theirs (this is what AC mostly concerns).


I'd tell you that it is an adventure to go through this because I had to flight all the way there to get it done and that because I want to make a difference in my life. I am still very happy with my head. I have so much more confidence now then before the procedure. I only wear a hat if I know I am going to be exposed to the sun for a while. Other than that I am not worried about other people would look at my bald head anymore.

[I Wish Hair Grew]

AC is legit. I had my head done in mid summer 2011, and the result was awsome. I am totally satisfied with my result.

@morrison: I totally understand your concerns, but you have to understand that they can't disclose their clients' photos or contact information. I obviously don't want them to disclose my private information. I can sue them if they do that, and I am glad you brought it up that they keep my information private. When I got my done, the tech (Robert who did the work on my head), took a bunch of pictures of my new scalp. But since I didn't sign any papers to allow them to post my pics on the web or to show them to anybody, they legally can't show them to you.

And "saved from baldness" guy is real too because his hairline on the side is the same as mine. The middle frontal hairline of mine was originally like that of "saved from baldness" (round), but I asked Robert to add a slight widow peak to it as I did have a widow peak when I had a full head of hair. Keep in mind it's hard to ask AC to add a peak (or any other things) if your original hair didn't have them. They just simply will not do it because they consider that as extra and unatural work. They made it sound like they would do it but they will charge extra for it and they will not guarantee that it would look natural. They thought that it was unnatural and uneccessay work if you went beyond what you had. Weston looked to see if I did have a widow peak, and he was convinced that I had one because he saw a few hairs from the middle front tip of my crown.

If you or anyone in the Orange County, CA area, I can show you my head in person, but I am not going to post any pics on here unless you want to pay to see them as I have to take pictures, then ask for permision, plus putting AC water mark on photos to prevent other companies claim that they are theirs (this is what AC mostly concerns).


I'd tell you that it is an adventure to go through this because I had to flight all the way there to get it done and that because I want to make a difference in my life. I am still very happy with my head. I have so much more confidence now then before the procedure. I only wear a hat if I know I am going to be exposed to the sun for a while. Other than that I am not worried about other people would look at my bald head anymore.

:confused::rolleyes:

[morrison]

AC is legit. I had my head done in mid summer 2011, and the result was awsome. I am totally satisfied with my result.

@morrison: I totally understand your concerns, but you have to understand that they can't disclose their clients' photos or contact information. I obviously don't want them to disclose my private information. I can sue them if they do that, and I am glad you brought it up that they keep my information private. When I got my done, the tech (Robert who did the work on my head), took a bunch of pictures of my new scalp. But since I didn't sign any papers to allow them to post my pics on the web or to show them to anybody, they legally can't show them to you.

And "saved from baldness" guy is real too because his hairline on the side is the same as mine. The middle frontal hairline of mine was originally like that of "saved from baldness" (round), but I asked Robert to add a slight widow peak to it as I did have a widow peak when I had a full head of hair. Keep in mind it's hard to ask AC to add a peak (or any other things) if your original hair didn't have them. They just simply will not do it because they consider that as extra and unatural work. They made it sound like they would do it but they will charge extra for it and they will not guarantee that it would look natural. They thought that it was unnatural and uneccessay work if you went beyond what you had. Weston looked to see if I did have a widow peak, and he was convinced that I had one because he saw a few hairs from the middle front tip of my crown.

If you or anyone in the Orange County, CA area, I can show you my head in person, but I am not going to post any pics on here unless you want to pay to see them as I have to take pictures, then ask for permision, plus putting AC water mark on photos to prevent other companies claim that they are theirs (this is what AC mostly concerns).


I'd tell you that it is an adventure to go through this because I had to flight all the way there to get it done and that because I want to make a difference in my life. I am still very happy with my head. I have so much more confidence now then before the procedure. I only wear a hat if I know I am going to be exposed to the sun for a while. Other than that I am not worried about other people would look at my bald head anymore.

lol, who or what company is going to want to claim them pictures as their own??? 95% of them look atrocious :eek:

Anyone stupid enough to go by what a website or nameless forum poster says about the treatment at Artistryconcepts (or any other company for that matter) needs their head examining. Wake up people, if what they do is so great and they have hundreds of so called satisfied clients, then why are they not willing to put anyone in touch with even one of them??? I don't mean talking to 'someone' who claims to be a 'really happy' client, but actually seeing their work with your own eyes on people who have had the treatment done. And not just done recently, but say clients who also had the procedure done a few years ago.

Any genuine company with nothing to hide will be falling over itself to put potential clients in touch with past clients. Well that is unless they have something to hide...

[Jack21]

satisfied customer

[Jack21]

satisfied customer

compare this pic from 15 years ago

[Jack21]

Obviously the hairline is not supposed to appear that of a 17 year old. It is adjusted for aging. A man in his mid 30's would look odd with the hairline of a 17 year old, no?

The only "negative"?

"You have such a full head of hair. Why do you keep it so short?" or "won't you please grow it out?"

Want to knock AC? Its simply your loss. I haven't been on here since I had it done. Why? It is no longer an issue in my life. Tonight I had a little too much time on my hands so decided to see what was going on here. AC gave me my life back. And that, as they say, is that.

[jholcollege11]

Hey Jack, im thinking of doing either artistry concepts or gooslook inc in Minnesota. You say you had a good exerience with AC. Did you learn anything about goodlook while you were down there? Goodlook seems to be more professional but AC will str8 up tell You all about their needles and pigments whereas goodlook will not discuss either. Im definitely doing this so i gotta decide. Id love to hear more about AC bc im leaning that way as their process seems far more advanced. Thanks bro

[jholcollege11]

Yours looks good btw Jack21

[jholcollege11]

Jack- I guess your non-response reveals you are either one of the 3- AC employees or you are now very angry about poor results. Either way, something stinks in Florida. The only good reviews I've read on them, are the posts they post themselves pretending to be happy clients. On one forum a poster was actually traced back to their lobby, and when confronted by the administrator, they claimed that their customer was so thrilled with his results that he couldn't wait to post his glowing recomendation from their own AC computer. WOW! Seriously? Do they think everyone is stupid? My thing is, both HIS and Good Look Ink are very adament about the potential client meeting former clients who have had the work done. That is confidence in a finished product. Good look ink owner told me that I needed to see the results in person--now I understand that this could also be a sales tactic knowing that if a desperate balding man comes all the way up there it will be that much harder to walk out the door without having anything done. I had it narrowed to the three of these companies, but AC is not an option anymore. They say they cannot produce clients for us to see b/c "they are so happy with their results that they are busing enjoying their new look." Also not one pic on their website shows an angle from behind the head revealing the crown area. I read one post stating that their own tech who has had the procedure has a big bald horshoe on back of his head. This same person also said that he flew all the way down to FLA and Mark, the owner, was very rude to him b/c he was early. Now I am not sure if this was just someone from a competitor company just bashing them, but I do know that when I called them I got NO help and the employee's attitude really turned me off. Not to mention that the man that answered the phone is the guy that Gale (President) said would be doing my procedure. I need a legit professional business. I am just a guy that wants this procedure to add density and restore hairline, and it is so hard to find anything out without "Attack of the Shills." I live in New Orleans and I will fly to Minnesota in May to visit GLI, b/c they seem to be the real deal. Anyway, I think it is really a shame that so many companies out there take advantage of people for thousands of dollars and sleep fine at night.

[morrison]

Anyone with a spare 5 minutes who fancies a laugh, check out a site that Artistry Concepts has put up bashing His Hair Clinic: hairlosstattootruth.com

It's hilarious and full of slanderous lies that I'm surprised that he has not been sued. He even goes on to say that when his account on this forum got banned it was not him posting but a competitor...lol.

This is a classic thread on this forum: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

All I can say is good luck if you let him anywhere near your head. He ain't coming within 100 miles of my head. I'll carry on researching, however it seems like a 2 horse race between Good Look Ink and His Hair clinic

[jholcollege11]

Yea AC gives me a bad vibe all together. They advertise how honest they are but they wont offer any viewing of previous clients' heads. I have a date reserved with good look in Minnesota. They dont spend all their time and energy bashing other companies.

[Dben153662]

Yea AC gives me a bad vibe all together. They advertise how honest they are but they wont offer any viewing of previous clients' heads. I have a date reserved with good look in Minnesota. They dont spend all their time and energy bashing other companies.

I had mine done with AC this month. Im happy with it so far. Just needs cure more final color. But so far im happy with it. Today is my 4th day after final procedure.

[jholcollege11]

So you started to do this procedure, and after three sessions you decided to sign up to this forum and say how great it is? You were never interested in this forum before you spent thousands of dollars on a permanent procedure? Every positive thing ive read about AC on this forum is always posted by someone who joined that day and it is their first post, and they always say the same thing. There are better ways to get your name out there ac.

[jholcollege11]

Post some pics Dben, so I can see the finished result

[Dben153662]

So you started to do this procedure, and after three sessions you decided to sign up to this forum and say how great it is? You were never interested in this forum before you spent thousands of dollars on a permanent procedure? Every positive thing ive read about AC on this forum is always posted by someone who joined that day and it is their first post, and they always say the same thing. There are better ways to get your name out there ac.

Ive been reading posts on this website for over a year, to get feedback before making my decision. And since im so happy with my results SO FAR its been only 4 days and i hope it will only get better, thats why i decided to post on this site, nothing else. Why are you so paranoid and have it against AC ? I will say it again, IM HAPPY... and the mods here can check my IP address im in Miami!

[Dben153662]

Post some pics Dben, so I can see the finished result

My friend its been 4 days let it cure and lighten up a bit

[Dben153662]

So you started to do this procedure, and after three sessions you decided to sign up to this forum and say how great it is? You were never interested in this forum before you spent thousands of dollars on a permanent procedure? Every positive thing ive read about AC on this forum is always posted by someone who joined that day and it is their first post, and they always say the same thing. There are better ways to get your name out there ac.

I did not say 3 sessions, thats HHC :) youre sure you dont work for them?

[jholcollege11]

Lol, yes im positive i dont work for any company and now im positive that you do! Bro seriously, you know who I am bc you have recieved my pics and gave me a quote, mark or gale or robert( whosevers turn it is to scan the forums) and if you check your emails my screen name is very similar to my actual name. Also when i called your studio, the guy robert answered the phone and gave me like 4 yesses and two no's. No info. I was sooo close to giving you guys a downpayment but after that revealing conversation with your artist and after some research, you guys seem shady as hell. Why cant you be up front with people like im being straight up with you right now? I can only assume that all you do is this undercover forum stuff, bash other companies then claim"they started it", and hide your clients from guys like me. Im sorry that your unprofessional way of handling customers caused me to forgo the opportunity to meet yall, but im happy i see your true colors. Miami, really homie?!?! You dont have a buddy in another state that you can email your posts to and let him respond? Pleasure exposing u!

[Dben153662]

Lol, yes im positive i dont work for any company and now im positive that you do! Bro seriously, you know who I am bc you have recieved my pics and gave me a quote, mark or gale or robert( whosevers turn it is to scan the forums) and if you check your emails my screen name is very similar to my actual name. Also when i called your studio, the guy robert answered the phone and gave me like 4 yesses and two no's. No info. I was sooo close to giving you guys a downpayment but after that revealing conversation with your artist and after some research, you guys seem shady as hell. Why cant you be up front with people like im being straight up with you right now? I can only assume that all you do is this undercover forum stuff, bash other companies then claim"they started it", and hide your clients from guys like me. Im sorry that your unprofessional way of handling customers caused me to forgo the opportunity to meet yall, but im happy i see your true colors. Miami, really homie?!?! You dont have a buddy in another state that you can email your posts to and let him respond? Pleasure exposing u!


You are completely delusional and paranoid! i feel sad for you.

[jholcollege11]

Oh and by the way, your quote AC, was the best quote i got out of four companies and I was very impressed by the info on your site, but for future reference, get a customer service rep who is knowledgable and doesnt seem put off wheyou call them. Also, give the mouse and keyboard to your actual clients, and focus on tattooing.

[jholcollege11]

Paranoid? LOL no. Informed, Yes! I've read pages of these forums, simply b/c I am going to spend about 4,000 bucks and it is permanent! Only an idiot would not do his homework when it comes to a permanent, costly procedure. And judging by your response, you checked your ArtistryConcepts email and realize Im real. I get the feeling you prey on the weak, desperate, lazy uneducated people. Ive read back when you got banned AC, and you always say the same things on your posts, almost word for word, and then say that they can check your IP address. Dude, Im so glad you are helping me feel great about my decision not to use you guys. Were you really that rude to a guy who flew cross country to see you. Bro, I feel sorry for you! Especially after I saw that fine production on your site, LOL!

[sausage]

What happens when your hair turns grey, are you going to dye it for the rest of your life?

[jholcollege11]

Why dont we let DBen AKA: Artistry Concepts anwer that question. They are the "experts".

[Dben153662]

My friend joking aside, please go check a pyschologist, really. No i dont work for non of these companies. I work here in Miami Intl Airport in Miami. My name is David. You need my social security # ? Why dont you tell us who you really are ??????

[Dben153662]

What happens when your hair turns grey, are you going to dye it for the rest of your life?

My brother in law is 68 years old and he shaves completely. I dont see him having any little gray follicles. Im guessing when you shave it always appears dark. My opinion

[Dben153662]

College11, i work in MIA airport til 5am then i have to drive 4 hours to open business at AC :) you are too funny !!

[Dben153662]

I will post a photo of 2 months ago, prior to procedure, first -
but how do you post your photo here ?? !!! its asking for a www.
complicated

[jholcollege11]

Dude, let it go. You are so bad at this it is silly, and as far as seeing a shrink, I would need one if I let you near my head. You get called out every time you do this undercover crap, and if I am crazy, then that would mean that about 30 + other people who have called you out on multiple forums are crazy and paranoid too, and you would be the only sane person around - not likely bud. Keep in mind, I've seen your videos and you are such an intellectual light weight. Just go to bed so you can be rested for your busy day of creating "HIS Sucks" websites and emailing slanderous material about your competitors to potential clients. You are used to tricking people who are stupid, so if someone calls you out, the only possible explanation is that they are dellusional...LOL, come on.

[jholcollege11]

I will post a photo of 2 months ago, prior to procedure, first -
but how do you post your photo here ?? !!! its asking for a www.
complicated

WOW, nice tactic. BTW You look like a tattoo parlor with microscopes and rulers.

[sausage]

My brother in law is 68 years old and he shaves completely. I dont see him having any little gray follicles. Im guessing when you shave it always appears dark. My opinion

If someone has hair tattoo'd into their donor scar, when they start going grey then that tattoo'd area will show up and look a bit stupid. Also if you shaved your head the darker tattoo'd area will show up, so basically it will look like u have got a smiley face tattoo'd on your head.

[Dben153662]

If someone has hair tattoo'd into their donor scar, when they start going grey then that tattoo'd area will show up and look a bit stupid. Also if you shaved your head the darker tattoo'd area will show up, so basically it will look like u have got a smiley face tattoo'd on your head.

You got my opinion. Take it as you desire. You already know that with micropigmentation you have to have your hair buzzed~

[Dben153662]

Dude, let it go. You are so bad at this it is silly, and as far as seeing a shrink, I would need one if I let you near my head. You get called out every time you do this undercover crap, and if I am crazy, then that would mean that about 30 + other people who have called you out on multiple forums are crazy and paranoid too, and you would be the only sane person around - not likely bud. Keep in mind, I've seen your videos and you are such an intellectual light weight. Just go to bed so you can be rested for your busy day of creating "HIS Sucks" websites and emailing slanderous material about your competitors to potential clients. You are used to tricking people who are stupid, so if someone calls you out, the only possible explanation is that they are dellusional...LOL, come on.

My friend you are pathetic

[morrison]

An interesting pattern I've noticed on various hair loss forums where there is a suspect Artistry Concepts shill poster and they have been called out. In their first response there will always be something along the lines of "and the mods here can check my IP address".

In the early days on various forums Artistry Concepts was caught having multiple accounts (all the same IP address) and posting as 'happy' clients. He even got caught posting under an alias and when the mods traced the IP back to him he made out it was a 'satisfied client' who had just had the procedure done and was so over the moon that they there and then (in Artistry Concepts offices) logged on, registered on a forum and gave a 'glowing' testimonial. Come one, who is stupid enough to believe that?

He then wizened up when caught and found out about proxy servers and ever since then an AC shill will bang on about 'check my IP' or if it's a positive comment about another competitor will say that is the company in question using a proxy server posting.

On that micky mouse site he created bashing His Hair Clinic he bangs on about how some negative postings about Artistry Concepts on the internet were traced back to a proxy server in the UK. I mean WTF, how would he know if what's posted on an independent site was done so using a proxy or not? The guy is seriously delusional.

[Dben153662]

An interesting pattern I've noticed on various hair loss forums where there is a suspect Artistry Concepts shill poster and they have been called out. In their first response there will always be something along the lines of "and the mods here can check my IP address".

In the early days on various forums Artistry Concepts was caught having multiple accounts (all the same IP address) and posting as 'happy' clients. He even got caught posting under an alias and when the mods traced the IP back to him he made out it was a 'satisfied client' who had just had the procedure done and was so over the moon that they there and then (in Artistry Concepts offices) logged on, registered on a forum and gave a 'glowing' testimonial. Come one, who is stupid enough to believe that?

He then wizened up when caught and found out about proxy servers and ever since then an AC shill will bang on about 'check my IP' or if it's a positive comment about another competitor will say that is the company in question using a proxy server posting.

On that micky mouse site he created bashing His Hair Clinic he bangs on about how some negative postings about Artistry Concepts on the internet were traced back to a proxy server in the UK. I mean WTF, how would he know if what's posted on an independent site was done so using a proxy or not? The guy is seriously delusional.

Are you guys for real ????? you guys are pathetic and only seem to serve His Hair Clinic ! think whatever you want, it doesnt affect me a bit. I know what i had done and the results achieved. I gave the city i live in, where i work, my name and even asked to check my IP address but you fools hide behind a computer screen... You guys are so obvious. Will be posting my before and after photos soon !

David

[morrison]

Are you guys for real ????? you guys are pathetic and only seem to serve His Hair Clinic ! think whatever you want, it doesnt affect me a bit. I know what i had done and the results achieved. I gave the city i live in, where i work, my name and even asked to check my IP address but you fools hide behind a computer screen... You guys are so obvious. Will be posting my before and after photos soon !

David

Whatever David (or do you prefer Mark?), I think if anyone had a more than healthy obsession with His Hair Clinic it's Artistry Concepts. And why are you getting so defensive, did I accuse you of being a shill? Or did you just feel the need to defend yourself, even though you have 'nothing' to hide ;)

jholcollege11 has said that he's going to Good Look Ink and I'm still in two minds between Good Look Ink and His Hair Clinic. So how do we serve His Hair Clinic jackass?

Everything I've written in my post above is factual. Read the following thread on this forum where Artistry Concepts goes off on one and then gets banned: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

This similar process along with shill posting has been repeated multiple times in the past by Artistry Concepts. Facts are facts, nothing will change that.

I'm stating facts, no one gives a flying f about where you live, your name etc. This thread is not about you, it's about Artistry Concepts.......unless 'you' are Artistry Concepts :D

So rather than chat more breeze, post up your before pictures from all angles, then photos after your treatments. No need to wait till the finished product as I’m sure people will want to see what it looks like a day or two after treatment so they can take the appropriate time of work if they decide to go to AC.

[jholcollege11]

AC (dben wutever), who is hiding behind a computer screen? Ill call you on the phone right now at artistry concepts and tell you everything im saying here, but you wont answer and will have your girlfriend/president or apprentice guy answer, so who is really hiding? Im glad Morrison has chimed in bc he knows your bs forum history also and neither of us are committed to any place yet. Yoir business must be very slow that you have time to post fake reports. Your character has been weighed, measured, and has been found wanting.... bye bye. Have a nice day

[jholcollege11]

Hey Dben, David, Mark Weston, whomever. Where are those pics, bud? Has your procedure had time to cure yet? I'm really interested to see how well it turned out for you. If you are busy at your "Miami airport job" I will understand.

[DAVE52]

If someone has hair tattoo'd into their donor scar, when they start going grey then that tattoo'd area will show up and look a bit stupid. Also if you shaved your head the darker tattoo'd area will show up, so basically it will look like u have got a smiley face tattoo'd on your head.

Big stupid looking hair transplant scar = looks stupid

Smiley face tatoo looks stupid

I guess as they go grey , they go back and get it colored . Kinda like a HT , as you lose more hair you keep goign back to fill it in.

That's why, if I had the b*lls I would buzz or shave my head and move on with life

Losing hair sucks . It's about beind confident in yourself

www.slybaldguys.com


Is a great site for guys who embrace their hair loss.
There are even guys who had HT's and bascicalaly said f*ck and shaved it all off and have never been happier, stupid scar and all

[jholcollege11]

I dont understand why anyone would get a HT or smp without taking propecia (finasteride). It seems counter productive to me to not at least protect the hair you have from dht. I can understand if a person gets past certain age and their body does not respond to the medicine, but if they simply quit using it, id say just get a hair piece. As far as the grey thing, most hair follicles look grey at that follicular level.

[stylus187]

I saw a dude at the airport with micro tat hair style, while flying from Orlando, to Cali!!! It does not even look close to natural!!!! I felt really bad for the dude! At a distance, yes. it looked ok??? three feet away, it looked so unnatural..... No way in hell is this an option for me!!!! Artistry Concepts????????? The only way this could look normal is, if you have hair with average, to fair density, just to fill in some spots??? IDK???? not for me!!!

[jholcollege11]

Hey Stylus, did the guy have no natural hair on his scalp, and just the ink dots? I can see how this would look artificial. I wish I knew where he had his done so I could avoid that place LOL. Ive got alot of hair on top but all of it is pretty thin so Im looking to add density and still have a 3d illusion. I am becoming quite skeptical of this procedure now, and not really sure if this is a viable option.

[saved from baldness]

Man,I can't believe how hateful these forums are! There is always one or two guys that WILL NOT believe that someone else is happy with what they got from AC. Well, its been almost a year since i had the procedure and i would do it again tomorrow. Im sure someone is going to come on here and say "no you wouldn't" or something 4th grade like that but I dont care and I dont hang out in these forums like i used to because I dont look bald anymore and i dont think about it anymore. Is it expensive...yes... does it hurt...yes... was it worth it??? God damn right it was! :)

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
-- Albert Einstein

[jholcollege11]

Sir, the first thing you did was criticize people who comment on these forums, and then you use profanity. Learn some manners and tact before trying to promote a company, as poor breeding and low moral fiber are quite transparent, even through posting on a forum. Secondly, if you took the time to read, you might have learned that at least two of the "hateful" people who commented on AC are considering other places. I have nothing against this procedure- as a matter of fact im having it done on May 1st at another clinic. If you want I will message you privately to tell you which clinic, as I do not shill for that business and find it immoral and dishonest for businesses to "undercover" promote themselves. I am not saying that you are not an actual satisfied client of AC, but I know for a fact that they use unethical sales tactics, and have been caught several times on this forum posting their own success stories. I am happy for you that you are satisfied with your results, and would like to see your pics, but I am going with a different company that is more honest and forthcoming with their results. Also, when I called AC and talked to Robert, he was quite unprofessional and very unhelpful- conversation lasted about 2 minutes. Night and day compared to my one hour phone consult with the company im going with. First impressions are HUGE, especially in any Cosmetic business. AC may do good work, but by their own admission, their artist/tech Robert who had smp done 2 years ago, has a big horseshoe bald spot on the back of his head. BIG RED FLAG for me. I wish you best of luck and God Bless.

[saved from baldness]

Sir, the first thing you did was criticize people who comment on these forums, and then you use profanity. Learn some manners and tact before trying to promote a company, as poor breeding and low moral fiber are quite transparent, even through posting on a forum. Secondly, if you took the time to read, you might have learned that at least two of the "hateful" people who commented on AC are considering other places.


First of all, criticizing people and stating facts are 2 different things. I said "there are always one or two people" i didn't state that these forums and their people as a whole. And if you have read in this thread longer than 5 post you will realize that is the TRUTH and not opinion. And as far as using profanity, grow up! You guys stay on these forums and cry like little girls that skinned their knees about being bald and are the FIRST to criticize people that do something about it.... and that means in life you are a spectator and rightfully so! There are people that do and there are people that talk about doing and shout how the people that did were wrong. I DONT care who you use but I did thorough investigations of all of these companies before I picked one and i posted honestly about my PERSONAL experience with it to help people that were looking for answers and considering this as a treatment. I met Robert IN PERSON and I sat in the chair while the phone rang in the receptionist area every 15 seconds and with all of the people that were calling about this wanting to ask the same exact questions that are answered on their website is silly and I dont blame them for cutting you short. Before I started my procedure i stood 2 inches from Roberts head and looked at his procedure and I am telling you if he had this huge horseshoe on the back of his head I would not have even considered it. I did look at the other places, AC was by far the MOST expensive but after flying to LA and MN to see their work i knew I could not do it!!! I am grateful for the procedure, not ONE person has given my head a second glance in public because something was "off" and thats the true test. Oh and "fuck"!! That was just to offend you and your sensitive soul. lol :)

[jholcollege11]

Gale sent me in an email that Robert does in fact have a bald spot 2 years after having the procedure and she claims it is due to further hair loss. So either the company's president is lying, or you are. You are awfully defensive of AC and if youare so satisfied with your results and done with these forums, why are you fighting for ac? Im sure Mark Weston got an A in woodshop (his video lol shows him looking throug a microscope in a toolshop made to look like a lab) and is probably a great tattoo artist, but his operation appears weak. Speaking of weak, only cowards curse at people from a keyboard many miles away. I guess weak minds choose weak minded businesses. Again, just telling my experience just as you are telling yours. My 7 year old nephew curses do to his lack of vocabulary also, so its ok, I understand. Good luck in the future and God Bless you sir.

[jholcollege11]

And as far as using profanity, grow up! You guys stay on these forums and cry like little girls that skinned their knees about being bald and are the FIRST to criticize people that do something about it.... and that means in life you are a spectator and rightfully so! There are people that do and there are people that talk about doing and shout how the people that did were wrong. I DONT care who you use but I did thorough investigations of all of these companies before I picked one and i posted honestly about my PERSONAL experience with it to help people that were looking for answers and considering this as a treatment. I met Robert IN PERSON and I sat in the chair while the phone rang in the receptionist area every 15 seconds and with all of the people that were calling about this wanting to ask the same exact questions that are answered on their website is silly and I dont blame them for cutting you short. Before I started my procedure i stood 2 inches from Roberts head and looked at his procedure and I am telling you if he had this huge horseshoe on the back of his head I would not have even considered it. I did look at the other places, AC was by far the MOST expensive but after flying to LA and MN to see their work i knew I could not do it!!! I am grateful for the procedure, not ONE person has given my head a second glance in public because something was "off" and thats the true test. Oh and "fuck"!! That was just to offend you and your sensitive soul. lol :)
A couple more things, LOL! Spectator? Im taking action and going to a place that is fully staffed by educated professionals rather than 3 trailor park employees. The place I chose does not have a wannabe tattoo artist who answers phones, and has zero customer service skills. The place I am flying to does not post their own reviews on this forum pretending to be clients (as Im sure that is what youre doing Saved from Baldness or Mark/Robert/Gale if your prefer) because they are busy actually doing the procedure and helping people. The SMP clinic I decided on actually conducts over-the-phone consultations lasting up to an hour or more. AC can't answer the "difficult" questions over the phone b/c they are not educated enough on their own process to do phone consultations. As any of the REAL smp businesses will tell you, this is such an individualized process that there is no way that a website can possibly answer all questions (especially not their Jr High school project website). Isnt that part of what they are supposed to do, assist potential clients and supply information? For you to say that they have the right to treat people this way when they call genuinely seeking answers b/c the client should have read the website reveals how stupid you really are. And "crying like little girls who skinned their knees", LOL. You talk so "tough" from your little trashy hole in Florida, but I would give anything to stand toe to toe with you and see how tough you really are. Id punk you out and reveal the coward you are. Fortunately for you, I live very far from your neck of the trailor park and fortunately for me, I am not making the mistake of using Artistry Concepts. Future reference, be very careful who you disrespect. You are not qualified to back up that kind of talk. That I can prove!!!!!

[morrison]

I dont hang out in these forums like i used to

Ermmm, you never did hang around in these forums. On your first post on 08-16-2011 you stated that you had the procedure done 3 weeks ago and was bragging how good it was. So your procedure would have been around July 2011 (or a little earlier).

Yet in your post above you state the following:

I did look at the other places, AC was by far the MOST expensive but after flying to LA and MN to see their work i knew I could not do it!!!

By mentioning LA above you are referring to His Hair Clinic and with MN you are refering to Good Look Ink. The only thing is that His Hair Clinic did not open in LA until September 2011, so how on earth did you manage to go and visit them, prior to your treatment (in July 2011 or earlier), when they had not yet even opened???? :rolleyes:

You also stated the following above:

I met Robert IN PERSON and I sat in the chair while the phone rang in the receptionist area every 15 seconds and with all of the people that were calling about this wanting to ask the same exact questions that are answered on their website is silly and I dont blame them for cutting you short.

A phone call every 15 seconds? Wow, AC must surely be real busy if they are getting 240 calls every hour (or 2,400 in a typical 10 hour period). And if you were sat in the chair how do you know what was being said on the phone that was in the reception area? :confused:

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
-- Albert Einstein

Mark/Gale you sure are a fan of your quotes :D I recall you using a quote on your website from Winston Churchill when bashing one of your competitors.

[jholcollege11]

BUSTED!!!!! Nice Morrison, you just conducted a tutorial on how to expose fake posts. Poor Artistry Concepts, won't they ever learn? Everytime AC does this, They say the exact same things using the exact same wording, but with different account names. I'm still waiting on the pictures from Dben and Savedfrombaldness by the way. I hope to steer many people, who are serious about this procedure, away from Artistry Concepts. No one deserves to be treated the way they treat customers who are just trying to improve their lives and self-confidence. I thank the Lord that they so openly showed me their true colors when I called. I do appologize to "actual" forum members for my previous angry post directed at AC. It just upsets me so much, as a man who has suffered from premature hairloss for 7 years, that a company like this is trying to divert people from good places, to AC's inferior product. The first email they sent me bashed both HIS hair clinic, and Good Look Ink. Their website claims that HIS will produce blue dots (which they cannot prove), and one email Gale (AC president) sent me accused Good Look Ink of paying the Better Business Bureau for an A- rating, and that they may not be an approved lender. What about that eloquent quote from Mark Weston's idol Albert Einstein- "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." I suppose AC can talk a good game, but fail to put into practice their own sermons. I am very passionate about helping people, especially people who share my struggles, so every future opportunity I have to save someone from making the terrible mistake of going to artistry concepts, I will take full advantage of. I hope this is not considered "serial cyber-bullying" like AC claims to be a victim of on their site.:cool: I guess AC plays the role of the aggressor (like in "Savedfrombaldness' above post) and then the victim when it is convenient.

[morrison]

Looks like 'saved from baldness' also needs to be 'saved from blindness' as well :D

Before I started my procedure i stood 2 inches from Roberts head and looked at his procedure and I am telling you if he had this huge horseshoe on the back of his head I would not have even considered it.

Take a look at AC's website on the ACHM2 Difference page, at the bottom, and you will see a picture of their tech Robert, who has had the ACHM2 procedure done. Now you telling me that looks right? Would you want your head looking like that?

His natural hair colour (the horseshoe) is different in colour to the ACHM2 procedure which has been carried out on the top and sides of his head. You can clearly see a bald spot at the crown area. There can be no excuses like his procedure has just been done, it has to cure etc. This is the finished look on the head of their technician who carries out the procedure on others.

Below you can see the picture in question which can currently be found on the AC website (no doubt it will be removed from their site shortly).


http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o543/morrison-/artist2.jpg


Okay so he has a head with 2 different color tones, but what I don't get is why does he not get the bald spot filled in? Or has he realised that he would rather have a bald spot then have any more ACHM2 on his head? :rolleyes:

It’s all makes sense now as to why there is not a single picture of any of their clients showing the back of head after their procedure on the AC website.

[jholcollege11]

Yes when I was strongly considering AC, I noticed on ACs website this same photo and asked my girlfriend "am I crazy or does that guy in the picture have a bald spot on the back of his head?" She agreed, and so I searched the gallery up and down looking for pics of the back or crown areas of guys' heads and not one. This prompted me to email Gale at ac and ask (1) why are there no pics showing the crown area in your gallery and (2) is that a horseshoe bald spot on Roberts head who you say has had the achm2 procedure done? Her reply was "yes he now has a bald spot but that is due to further hair loss 2 years after procedure." Even if that is the case, rather than fading, it shows me that ac does not anticipate further hairloss when they perform this achm2 smp. She also responded with a link for their site that supposedly displayed a crown view of a client's head but it was a very sketchy angle. Gale also said the reason for only displaying the frontal views of clients is bc most men are more concerned about the hairline. What??? I agree the hairline is important but the most common site for hairloss on a man's head is the crown area. If anyone has a spare few minutes and a tolerance for bad web design, check out Artistry concepts photo gallery. I am not normally one to judge people, but every one of these guys looks seriously rough. Like maybe just to get a few clients they offered free achm2 work for bald guys down at the county jail, and just dressed them in street clothes for the pics. No CEO's or young professional men in that gallery. Ok sorry that was mean:( but a company's clients definitely reflect its product. It looks like they can only trick less thsn educated men into giving them money. Just saying! I hope I did not hurt your feelings on that one savedfrombaldness, as im sure you are the one exception :D

[stylus187]

Man,I can't believe how hateful these forums are! There is always one or two guys that WILL NOT believe that someone else is happy with what they got from AC. Well, its been almost a year since i had the procedure and i would do it again tomorrow. Im sure someone is going to come on here and say "no you wouldn't" or something 4th grade like that but I dont care and I dont hang out in these forums like i used to because I dont look bald anymore and i dont think about it anymore. Is it expensive...yes... does it hurt...yes... was it worth it??? God damn right it was! :)

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
-- Albert Einstein Sir... I'm not at all trying to be rude with what I posted! I'm just being completely honest from the results that I saw in person. He had this procedure done at Artistry Concepts. I asked him about it. Yes, I had a conversation with this guy, and we were talking about FUE procedure. To be 100% honest, it looked so unnatural I thought I was looking at a donor area from FUE scars. He asked me if it looks natural. I said it looks amazing, I was just curious where you had it done. I had to lie in order to have him from not feel insecure. In he-insight, it was rude of me to even start a conversation with him in the first place.. Listen... If your results came out great, I'm supper happy for you. I'm just simply sharing an honest story of what I saw first hand! From 6 feet away it looked like a number 1 guard height. In person, it ... "for choice of better words", it looked unnatural! I'm very particular about my appearance! Its not for me. Best wishes to anyone who decides to get this done.

[jholcollege11]

I suppose "Saved from Baldness" (AC) has taken his ball and gone home. Same exact sequence occured with Dben, one of their other profiles. AC creates a profile or uses one of their many existing ones, comes on this forum and claims how amazing AC is, throws a couple weak jabs, then disappears when they are discovered by more than one forum member. If anyone cares to see how they treat people read this... http://forum.*************.com/topic/his-vs-the-competitionmy-experience-so-far
The biggest gripe I have with Artistry Concepts isn't that they do undercover posting, but that they are so focused and determined to bash their competitors. I believe they attempt to eliminate all of the potential client's options by slandering competitors, until AC is the only choice they have left. Instead of talking about how their supposively superior ACHM2 method works, and why it is so great, they focus so hard on trying to make their competition look bad. And when I say they talk bad about their competition, I mean they type bad about them, like in emails and on forums. They are too cowardly to talk to clients on the phone about anything, but give AC a keyboard and a mouse and it is on LOL. The first email I sent to Gale Harviston at AC, I told her that I was also looking into HIS hair clinic, New Hair Institute, and Good Look Ink. My very first response from her was filled with "beware of those other providers" and other scare tactics. Then she sent me A copy of a pending law suite AC has against Good Look Ink in Minnesota. I read it and it is only about a website NAME. What does that have to do with this procedure and a company's ability to perform it well. So petty. Even their video has a young African American man saying "well you know my head was so messed up from the other provider that I was so discouraged," or something like that, and then he goes on to say how amazing Mark and Gale are but my point is this- Not one element of their site is committed to glorifying their work, but every bit of it is dedicated to making other company's work sound horrible. When I asked Gale in an email if Artistry Concepts was a member of the Better Business Bureau, she said no and sent me a youtube link of a 60 minutes segment that covered a story on some businesses in the U.S. that are believed to pay the BBB for good ratings. Obviously, but indirectly, she was implying that Good Look Ink pays for their good rating. Pretty low Gale. Stick to riding horses sweetheart.:D

[morrison]

jholcollege11, for some reason when you try to post a link to HIS from this forum it blanks out the name (like it has done in your post above).

I've just used a url shortner so that hopefully that should work.

HIS vs. the competition....my experience so far....
http://niceurl.org/aaqz

[jholcollege11]

Awesome, thanks Morrison

[Delphi]

These head tattoo threads are either started by shills or responded to by shills. No one has such passion for head tattoos unless they have a business doing them. I’ve said it many times, you have to be out of your minds to even consider this as an option for hair loss!

[jholcollege11]

Delphi, Yeeessss, we know! You've said it before, and you say it again, and agian and again. "This is such a bad idea and you are crazy if you have this done." Got it! Thanks! You say anyone who responds on this forum is a shill, and if this is the case, Please explain to me who I shill for. I am passionate about this procedure b/c this is my answer to a problem that controls my life. I have enough hair on my head for this to give me a 3d illusion of hair, and too much hair to be a candidate for FUE at Bosley. If I was passionate about HT's would this make sense to you? If I was excited about talking about getting BB sized holes on the back of my head, with the insentive of having gross fake-looking little hairs on my head, that EVERYONE can spot a mile away, would this satisfy your judgemental hypocracy? The only thing I've said is that I have an appointment scheduled, but did not specify which place, so please help us understand what my "hidden agenda" is here. You need to focus on your own solution, and stop hating on people that have found there's. I hope you enjoy your life as a bitter person while you wait for the Biotech super cure to hit the market. Hold your breath while youre at it.

[stylus187]

Delphi, Yeeessss, we know! You've said it before, and you say it again, and agian and again. "This is such a bad idea and you are crazy if you have this done." Got it! Thanks! You say anyone who responds on this forum is a shill, and if this is the case, Please explain to me who I shill for. I am passionate about this procedure b/c this is my answer to a problem that controls my life. I have enough hair on my head for this to give me a 3d illusion of hair, and too much hair to be a candidate for FUE at Bosley. If I was passionate about HT's would this make sense to you? If I was excited about talking about getting BB sized holes on the back of my head, with the insentive of having gross fake-looking little hairs on my head, that EVERYONE can spot a mile away, would this satisfy your judgemental hypocracy? The only thing I've said is that I have an appointment scheduled, but did not specify which place, so please help us understand what my "hidden agenda" is here. You need to focus on your own solution, and stop hating on people that have found there's. I hope you enjoy your life as a bitter person while you wait for the Biotech super cure to hit the market. Hold your breath while youre at it.
Can I say one thing???? Ladies, and Gentlemen, We are all here to help and share stories. If you are not here to help, Why even bother??? Ia a type of guy, who wants everyone to be happy, or content with treatment! "We are losing sight what theses forums are for! " Im not preaching to anyone, Im just saying, the name calling, the jabs, the fake advertisements, and cropped pictures, need to stop! If we cant communicate respectfully and honestly, why even be a member here!!! This is just my opinion!

[Delphi]

Delphi, Yeeessss, we know! You've said it before, and you say it again, and agian and again. "This is such a bad idea and you are crazy if you have this done." Got it! Thanks! You say anyone who responds on this forum is a shill, and if this is the case, Please explain to me who I shill for. I am passionate about this procedure b/c this is my answer to a problem that controls my life. I have enough hair on my head for this to give me a 3d illusion of hair, and too much hair to be a candidate for FUE at Bosley. If I was passionate about HT's would this make sense to you? If I was excited about talking about getting BB sized holes on the back of my head, with the insentive of having gross fake-looking little hairs on my head, that EVERYONE can spot a mile away, would this satisfy your judgemental hypocracy? The only thing I've said is that I have an appointment scheduled, but did not specify which place, so please help us understand what my "hidden agenda" is here. You need to focus on your own solution, and stop hating on people that have found there's. I hope you enjoy your life as a bitter person while you wait for the Biotech super cure to hit the market. Hold your breath while youre at it.

I think you're a little paranoid my man. I was not referring to you as being a shill. Obviously there are some real people trying to get information about this bullshit treatment on these threads. My point was the they are guided by shills who pretend to be real posters.

I am not bitter and honestly have a very happy and fulfilling life. If you want to get your head tattooed, go right ahead, but in the end you will regret it and maybe you’ll think to your self, “is should have listened to that asshole Delphi when I had the chance”. Good luck with your head tattoo!

[jholcollege11]

Stylus, you are correct. I appologize for speaking that way and I will refrain from the arguing and spiteful comments in the future. I do want to utilize this forum to its max, and I agree that this is not possible when we argue. Delphi, I appologize for being rude. I was just frustrated b/c since I started researching SMP a couple months ago and reading these forums and blogs concerning this topic, Ive had to sort through your negative comments about this procedure. You always say the exact same things as you express your disapproval, so I cannot see how this helps people. You have made it clear many times that you don't agree with SMP, but you need to respect other people's opinions, decisions, and interests. If you dont agree with this procedure, you need to refrain from commenting on it. You don't help anyone by constantly criticizing. If you are interested in a particular topic, I would suggest that you stick to those forums. Just as you have questioned the motives (hidden or not) of other forum members, I honestly have to question your's when you have no personal interest in smp but you constantly comment on it. I am simply expressing my opinion, and do not want to start anything. Good luck with whatever solution you choose. I have chosen mine, and as a man you need to respect that.:)

[jholcollege11]

I think you're a little paranoid my man. I was not referring to you as being a shill. Obviously there are some real people trying to get information about this bullshit treatment on these threads. My point was the they are guided by shills who pretend to be real posters.

I am not bitter and honestly have a very happy and fulfilling life. If you want to get your head tattooed, go right ahead, but in the end you will regret it and maybe you’ll think to your self, “is should have listened to that asshole Delphi when I had the chance”. Good luck with your head tattoo!

And I think this is the kind of thing that Stylus187 is referring to when he says we need to communicate respectfully:)

[Delphi]

And I think this is the kind of thing that Stylus187 is referring to when he says we need to communicate respectfully:)

Just trying to help my man. My motives are pure. If you want to get your head tattooed then you have the right and my blessing. Best of luck to you.

[morrison]

Delphi, apart from all your doom and gloom on this 'bullshit treatment' treatment as you call it and how if we get our heads tattooed then we will all end up regretting it in the end. I'd be interested to see what you have based that on? Or is just something that you 'think'? As there is a BIG difference between your opinion and actual fact.

Like I said, this is a procedure that I have been looking into and strongly considering, however if you have any real experience or personally know of anyone who has had a head tattoo gone wrong, then please share that with us.

Then again if this is all your 'opinion' or what you think 'may' happen then I don't see what relevance it is to this thread, as it's not helping anyone. Or is your motive that we should all forget about this 'bullshit treatment' and get a hair transplant or stick a wig to our heads instead?

[Dben153662]

I saw a dude at the airport with micro tat hair style, while flying from Orlando, to Cali!!! It does not even look close to natural!!!! I felt really bad for the dude! At a distance, yes. it looked ok??? three feet away, it looked so unnatural..... No way in hell is this an option for me!!!! Artistry Concepts????????? The only way this could look normal is, if you have hair with average, to fair density, just to fill in some spots??? IDK???? not for me!!!

Why does it have to be Artistry Concepts? There are several companies doing the same service in the US. Its just unfair for you guys to attack a company like that, without having done the procedure . How can you comment on something you havent had done? I can say something based on experience. Yes i had it done with Artistry Concepts on March and so far i am content. It still needs to lighten up a bit more but i have one more week to go for the 4 week they told me my final color will be.

[krauss]

I suppose "Saved from Baldness" (AC) has taken his ball and gone home. Same exact sequence occured with Dben, one of their other profiles. AC creates a profile or uses one of their many existing ones, comes on this forum and claims how amazing AC is, throws a couple weak jabs, then disappears when they are discovered by more than one forum member. If anyone cares to see how they treat people read this... http://forum.*************.com/topic/his-vs-the-competitionmy-experience-so-far
The biggest gripe I have with Artistry Concepts isn't that they do undercover posting, but that they are so focused and determined to bash their competitors. I believe they attempt to eliminate all of the potential client's options by slandering competitors, until AC is the only choice they have left. Instead of talking about how their supposively superior ACHM2 method works, and why it is so great, they focus so hard on trying to make their competition look bad. And when I say they talk bad about their competition, I mean they type bad about them, like in emails and on forums. They are too cowardly to talk to clients on the phone about anything, but give AC a keyboard and a mouse and it is on LOL. The first email I sent to Gale Harviston at AC, I told her that I was also looking into HIS hair clinic, New Hair Institute, and Good Look Ink. My very first response from her was filled with "beware of those other providers" and other scare tactics. Then she sent me A copy of a pending law suite AC has against Good Look Ink in Minnesota. I read it and it is only about a website NAME. What does that have to do with this procedure and a company's ability to perform it well. So petty. Even their video has a young African American man saying "well you know my head was so messed up from the other provider that I was so discouraged," or something like that, and then he goes on to say how amazing Mark and Gale are but my point is this- Not one element of their site is committed to glorifying their work, but every bit of it is dedicated to making other company's work sound horrible. When I asked Gale in an email if Artistry Concepts was a member of the Better Business Bureau, she said no and sent me a youtube link of a 60 minutes segment that covered a story on some businesses in the U.S. that are believed to pay the BBB for good ratings. Obviously, but indirectly, she was implying that Good Look Ink pays for their good rating. Pretty low Gale. Stick to riding horses sweetheart.:D

You are one sick individual. never seen anyone so hateful about something. you are a shill for good look ink. I read your older posts. I also talked to Bad Look Ink on the phone (yes about an hour). they barely let me off the phone. then they kept emailing and calling me. So i know who you are shilling for, because i had the same hour phone call. Former Best Buy saleman Davin Gerr (the manager?) kept telling me "take the leap of faith" ?????? WTF???? are they giving you a free TV???

[morrison]

Why does it have to be Artistry Concepts? There are several companies doing the same service in the US. Its just unfair for you guys to attack a company like that, without having done the procedure . How can you comment on something you havent had done? I can say something based on experience. Yes i had it done with Artistry Concepts on March and so far i am content. It still needs to lighten up a bit more but i have one more week to go for the 4 week they told me my final color will be.

In his next post stylus187 said he had a conversation with the guy and he said that it was Artistry Concepts who had carried out the treatment.

Sir... I'm not at all trying to be rude with what I posted! I'm just being completely honest from the results that I saw in person. He had this procedure done at Artistry Concepts. I asked him about it. Yes, I had a conversation with this guy, and we were talking about FUE procedure. To be 100% honest, it looked so unnatural I thought I was looking at a donor area from FUE scars. He asked me if it looks natural. I said it looks amazing, I was just curious where you had it done. I had to lie in order to have him from not feel insecure. In he-insight, it was rude of me to even start a conversation with him in the first place.. Listen... If your results came out great, I'm supper happy for you. I'm just simply sharing an honest story of what I saw first hand! From 6 feet away it looked like a number 1 guard height. In person, it ... "for choice of better words", it looked unnatural! I'm very particular about my appearance! Its not for me. Best wishes to anyone who decides to get this done.

Dben153662, we all look forward to seeing to seeing your pictures, don't forget to take one of the front, sides and back as well. As I'd like to see if there is any kind of horseshoe after the procedure.

Also in the meantime why don't you post some before pictures so we can all see the degree of hair loss you had prior to your procedure.

Don't worry about 'other' providers taking your pictures and trying to pass them off as their own work. I've never seen any other provider try to pass off any work of AC's as their work.

[jholcollege11]

You are one sick individual. never seen anyone so hateful about something. you are a shill for good look ink. I read your older posts. I also talked to Bad Look Ink on the phone (yes about an hour). they barely let me off the phone. then they kept emailing and calling me. So i know who you are shilling for, because i had the same hour phone call. Former Best Buy saleman Davin Gerr (the manager?) kept telling me "take the leap of faith" ?????? WTF???? are they giving you a free TV???

Im not shilling for them, but if I do, do you think I can really get a free tv?? Maybe a high def, bc that would be awesome bro!

[Dben153662]

In his next post stylus187 said he had a conversation with the guy and he said that it was Artistry Concepts who had carried out the treatment.



Dben153662, we all look forward to seeing to seeing your pictures, don't forget to take one of the front, sides and back as well. As I'd like to see if there is any kind of horseshoe after the procedure.

Also in the meantime why don't you post some before pictures so we can all see the degree of hair loss you had prior to your procedure.

Don't worry about 'other' providers taking your pictures and trying to pass them off as their own work. I've never seen any other provider try to pass off any work of AC's as their work.

Ok attaching my before pic. Scars you see is from my removal of old plugs done in the late 80's this pic was taken like 12-14 months ago

[Dben153662]

Sometimes i think the criminials are these doctors doing these hair transplants. I had FUE done like 1 year ago and all it left me was with these little round scars in the back from where they took the hair from. I would say 20-30% of the transplant grew !

[jholcollege11]

Anyone who reads this forum dont be fooled by Kraus, Just read his post history. He bashes HIS, NHI, and GLI. I only bash AC b/c they are a FRAUD and they really treated me poorly when I called and were even very unhelpful via email. Also I've heard countless other similar experiences people had with them. If you read my previous posts, you would see that I was on the fence between artistry concepts and another provider. I even said a negative thing about GLI at one point, and praised AC, before I had all the facts, so if this is a "Shill" tactic, it would have to be a new insane approach. Kraus is obviously one of the three "intelligent" people who work at AC in ENGLEWOOD FLA, and what is scary about this is that they have so much time to post on this forum. Business slow or what? I AM NOT PROMOTING GLI, NHI, or HIS- BUT DEFINITELY RAISING AWARNESS OF AC. Listen, $2600-4500 is alot of money, and this is a lifetime decision, so if anyone is considering AC I would encourage them to call Artistry Concepts on the phone and see for themselves how far they get. AGAIN, not promoting HIS, GLI, or NHI.

[Dben153662]

Anyone who reads this forum dont be fooled by Kraus, Just read his post history. He bashes HIS, NHI, and GLI. I only bash AC b/c they are a FRAUD and they really treated me poorly when I called and were even very unhelpful via email. Also I've heard countless other similar experiences people had with them. If you read my previous posts, you would see that I was on the fence between artistry concepts and another provider. I even said a negative thing about GLI at one point, and praised AC, before I had all the facts, so if this is a "Shill" tactic, it would have to be a new insane approach. Kraus is obviously one of the three "intelligent" people who work at AC in ENGLEWOOD FLA, and what is scary about this is that they have so much time to post on this forum. Business slow or what? I AM NOT PROMOTING GLI, NHI, or HIS- BUT DEFINITELY RAISING AWARNESS OF AC. Listen, $2600-4500 is alot of money, and this is a lifetime decision, so if anyone is considering AC I would encourage them to call Artistry Concepts on the phone and see for themselves how far they get. AGAIN, not promoting HIS, GLI, or NHI.

Hope it works out for you, which ever company you pick. I did this after wearing a hairpiece for years after that bad hair transplant from the 80's. Then i tried doing the FUE's last year from the back of my head and even some from my beard. Like i said only 20-30% of hair grew. I started getting very worried 2 years ago when my side hairs started thinning greatly, today its totally thinned out. No idea why the total loss of side hairs...after that it was stupid to wear a hairpiece when you had almost no side hairs.

[jholcollege11]

Thanks DBen, I appreciate it. Good luck to you as well.

[mep0812]

Dben..could you post a current picture?..I also have extensive scarring form old plug removal and had this procedure last year..the problem is that the ink looks different in a scar..it looks OK but not great..I only did it on the top because i wear a piece but would love to get rid of that thing! Still trying to decide if I want to do the back and sides..I do not want to say where I went but was realy curious of your outcome since our situations are very similar.

[Dben153662]

Dben..could you post a current picture?..I also have extensive scarring form old plug removal and had this procedure last year..the problem is that the ink looks different in a scar..it looks OK but not great..I only did it on the top because i wear a piece but would love to get rid of that thing! Still trying to decide if I want to do the back and sides..I do not want to say where I went but was realy curious of your outcome since our situations are very similar.

This picture was taken 10 days after procedure. But again it needed more time to lighten up. I will send a closeup picture when its finally done.

[jholcollege11]

Good pic, it looks good.

[Dben153662]

Mep, the ink will look diffefrent in the scars. Remeber the scar doesnt have the same pigmentation as the other part of the skin without scaring. There is nothing we can do. It does improve alot though. You dont know how much i regret getting this hair transplant in the 80's it has ruined my life, if i can only go back in time!

[Dben153662]

Good pic, it looks good.

After wearing a hair piece for over 20 years...it is a big change. But psychologically to tell you the truth i still dont feel comfortable going out without my cap. Hey its over 20 years of trauma! but i do go outside and get my mail without a cap though. Its a start :)

[jholcollege11]

Yea I think we get so attatched to our security things like hair pieces, or caps that when we get something like SMP done our mind is still telling us we need to hide our head even though you now look like you have hair but choose to shave your head. That's all im trying to achieve with smp. I know once I have it done I will still carry my hat everywhere like I do now, until I get used to it. Glad it worked out for you at AC.

[Dben153662]

Ok here is my back part where you can see the old scars from the big hair plugs from the 80's awful

[Dben153662]

also if you look closely there are also little rounds scars from the darn FUE's they are more nboticeable on the sides where they removed the most

[Jack21]

Hey jhol,

The reason I never responded is that I had no idea anyone had responded to my post from December. I really don't want to get into an argument or anything like that with you since I have been EXACTLY where you are now and I understand very well the emotions that are involved with this process. Its a huge decision, and taking one's time and exploring all of one's options is the right way to go about things.

Let me assure you that I am not now nor have I ever been employed by AC. When I was exploring my options about 18 months ago I visited the websites of all the places that perform what is termed "micropigmentation" or the 350 variants thereof. HIS had some great looking pictures, but the resolution was not great nor was the lighting. AC had pictures that could be blown up to twice life size and enabled one to scrutinize every last hair follicle on a client's head. That was encouraging.

I decided that the only way to determine which place was right for me (if any of them) would be to see actual results in person inches from the head of clients. As I was most impressed by AC I flew down to S. Fla last spring to have a look in person (I have family down there so I made a vacation of it). I had the opportunity to see two men who had undergone the AC procedure. The first was the technician who had had his done about one year before and the second was a gentleman who was still on the table, having the finishing touches added.

There is no substitute for seeing the results with your own eyes up close. I remember thinking to myself "If I can end up looking half as good as either of these guys I'd be the happiest man on earth"

I was convinced that this was the right path for me and scheduled an appointment for the early summer. I was nervous as all hell, don't get me wrong, but I was excited.

The people at AC on the phone are all business, and I can see how one might interpret their very matter of fact attitude as not being "warm and fuzzy". In person they are some of the nicest, most down to earth, and pleasant people I've ever met while still being consummate professionals.

Look if you want to see what mine looks like from every angle imaginable you are welcome to come down to Texas to have a look. I mean, honestly, price cannot be a determining factor in this.

When my procedure was done my crown was filled in completely and the "follicles" taken well down into my growing hair. Further hair loss is anticipated for in the AC procedure.

After I had it done I was astonished. I couldn't believe how real it looked, but I thought that I might be deceiving myself. I waited until I went to visit my mother and sister for the final verdict. My sister is the most brutally honest person on earth and was actually very much opposed to my getting the procedure done. When my sister saw it she said that there was absolutely no way anyone could ever tell that what I had on my head wasn't stubble. My mother said something about Mark deserving a Nobel Prize for what he did.

I was still in the habit of wearing a hat when I could, but my sister kept knocking the cap off my head and saying "you don't need that stupid hat anymore". We were in the airport and she kept yanking it off my head until I just kept it off.

Fast forward to January and my brother was about to get married. I was the best man, and to be perfectly honest despite my mom, my dad, and most importantly my sister telling me that it looked completely real I was still a tiny bit nervous standing up there in front of all those people - and in natural light (it was on the beach in Mexico). Over the course of the days leading up to the wedding we were all hanging out by the pool, and I had my shades on and did my utmost to gauge people's reactions to my hairline. I can honestly swear that not one person looked at my hairline or any other part of my head askance.

After the wedding when the booze was flowing a couple of girls came up to me and said "Why do you keep your hair so short?" or "Why don't you let that hair grow out?" Honestly that is the "worst" feedback that I have gotten from this whole thing.

I understand that this is a nerve wracking time. It is a huge decision and you want to gather all the information you can. There is no substitute for seeing results first hand. I guess this forum has a personal message thing. Please feel free to message me and I'll give you my facebook acct and send you pictures of my head from pretty much every possible angle and I can answer any other questions you may have.

I think the greatest testament to how happy I am with the AC procedure is the fact that I have been on this forum twice in the past 6 months. When I was doing my research I was on here every single day. Now its just not an issue in my life. I may not be as "pretty" as I was when I had hair 2 inches long, but I do look exactly like I did for all those years that I kept my head shaved in the army.

Yours,


Jack




Jack- I guess your non-response reveals you are either one of the 3- AC employees or you are now very angry about poor results. Either way, something stinks in Florida. The only good reviews I've read on them, are the posts they post themselves pretending to be happy clients. On one forum a poster was actually traced back to their lobby, and when confronted by the administrator, they claimed that their customer was so thrilled with his results that he couldn't wait to post his glowing recomendation from their own AC computer. WOW! Seriously? Do they think everyone is stupid? My thing is, both HIS and Good Look Ink are very adament about the potential client meeting former clients who have had the work done. That is confidence in a finished product. Good look ink owner told me that I needed to see the results in person--now I understand that this could also be a sales tactic knowing that if a desperate balding man comes all the way up there it will be that much harder to walk out the door without having anything done. I had it narrowed to the three of these companies, but AC is not an option anymore. They say they cannot produce clients for us to see b/c "they are so happy with their results that they are busing enjoying their new look." Also not one pic on their website shows an angle from behind the head revealing the crown area. I read one post stating that their own tech who has had the procedure has a big bald horshoe on back of his head. This same person also said that he flew all the way down to FLA and Mark, the owner, was very rude to him b/c he was early. Now I am not sure if this was just someone from a competitor company just bashing them, but I do know that when I called them I got NO help and the employee's attitude really turned me off. Not to mention that the man that answered the phone is the guy that Gale (President) said would be doing my procedure. I need a legit professional business. I am just a guy that wants this procedure to add density and restore hairline, and it is so hard to find anything out without "Attack of the Shills." I live in New Orleans and I will fly to Minnesota in May to visit GLI, b/c they seem to be the real deal. Anyway, I think it is really a shame that so many companies out there take advantage of people for thousands of dollars and sleep fine at night.

[Jack21]

Here are a number of photos (including one of the crown area) for you to peruse

[jholcollege11]

My bad bro, it looks really good. They did gud job at ac

[jholcollege11]

Thanx for pics, i hope mine comes out that good

[mep0812]

Dben..do you have any pictures of the back of your head showing the checkerboard plugs after the procedure? The back of my head looks very similar to yours..The thought of giving up the piece and buzzing down the sides and back is a very tough decision..My job requires that I am in front of people every day and i just worry how the back and sides will look due to the scars. Thanks for posting..

[Dben153662]

Dben..do you have any pictures of the back of your head showing the checkerboard plugs after the procedure? The back of my head looks very similar to yours..The thought of giving up the piece and buzzing down the sides and back is a very tough decision..My job requires that I am in front of people every day and i just worry how the back and sides will look due to the scars. Thanks for posting..

I will. Imagine i work for the government and i even had to get a special authorization to wear a cap at work. When did you get yours done ?

[Dben153662]

Dben..do you have any pictures of the back of your head showing the checkerboard plugs after the procedure? The back of my head looks very similar to yours..The thought of giving up the piece and buzzing down the sides and back is a very tough decision..My job requires that I am in front of people every day and i just worry how the back and sides will look due to the scars. Thanks for posting..

Here is one for you

[Dben153662]

Here are a number of photos (including one of the crown area) for you to peruse

Looks good Jack

[Jack21]

Whatever spots or dots you had before are pretty much invisible. I mean, if I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for I would not have noticed that anything was off at all.


Here is one for you

[stylus187]

In his next post stylus187 said he had a conversation with the guy and he said that it was Artistry Concepts who had carried out the treatment.



Dben153662, we all look forward to seeing to seeing your pictures, don't forget to take one of the front, sides and back as well. As I'd like to see if there is any kind of horseshoe after the procedure.

Also in the meantime why don't you post some before pictures so we can all see the degree of hair loss you had prior to your procedure.

Don't worry about 'other' providers taking your pictures and trying to pass them off as their own work. I've never seen any other provider try to pass off any work of AC's as their work. Gloves off!!! Im a nice guy!!! I could give a flying cuss word, on what anyone does to their head! It could be Bob Villa, or the hippie dude who loves to paint little flowers, here and there! I could give a shit less! Im only saying that it looks unnatural!!! Im sory if I offend your choice of restoration! To be honest, AC, is the only company Ive heard of doing this, why??? Are you crazy to have a tattoo on your head!!! Bro, no way it looks natural. Ink fades over time. I don't care what type of ink, its gonna end up blurring, or bleeding out over time!! I have a nw 2 at most, to be honest these sites are not for me!!! Too many people just bashing, and complaining! I post a simple story, and all hell breaks loose. Listen, if your cool, meaning anyone on this board, no personal attacks... Go tat your head if it makes you feel confident!! On theses sites, especially this one, no matter what advise, or story you share, you will be attacked!! I don't belong here!!!!! Best wishes, to everyone!!! I'm done!!!! "learn the hard way" let some new technique be another guinea pig! "buyer beware" you can recover from fue scars, even trich scars... what do you do when your entire head is fucked up looking from a dude tattooing your scalp??? open your eyes!!! as always, best wishes!!!!

[Dben153662]

Gloves off!!! Im a nice guy!!! I could give a flying cuss word, on what anyone does to their head! It could be Bob Villa, or the hippie dude who loves to paint little flowers, here and there! I could give a shit less! Im only saying that it looks unnatural!!! Im sory if I offend your choice of restoration! To be honest, AC, is the only company Ive heard of doing this, why??? Are you crazy to have a tattoo on your head!!! Bro, no way it looks natural. Ink fades over time. I don't care what type of ink, its gonna end up blurring, or bleeding out over time!! I have a nw 2 at most, to be honest these sites are not for me!!! Too many people just bashing, and complaining! I post a simple story, and all hell breaks loose. Listen, if your cool, meaning anyone on this board, no personal attacks... Go tat your head if it makes you feel confident!! On theses sites, especially this one, no matter what advise, or story you share, you will be attacked!! I don't belong here!!!!! Best wishes, to everyone!!! I'm done!!!! "learn the hard way" let some new technique be another guinea pig! "buyer beware" you can recover from fue scars, even trich scars... what do you do when your entire head is fucked up looking from a dude tattooing your scalp??? open your eyes!!! as always, best wishes!!!!

Easy, have you heard from Tattoo Laser removal? you are such a negative person. You give bad karma

[stylus187]

Easy, have you heard from Tattoo Laser removal? you are such a negative person. You give bad karma Whoa man, I actually have Karma written down my spinal chord!! I'm not being negative!!! "If I came off across angry in my last post, its for good reason". If SMP is an option that worked , or works for you, I'm ultra stoked!!! Im only saying, this is not an option for me!!! I'm man enough to admit.... When I'm being rude, or negative. I'm not trying to offend anyone here on this board! @Dben, my friend, you are not correct with such a statement directed at me. I post plenty of positive, and reliable info. My friend, I wish you the very best in whatever decisions you make in life!!!! :):):)

[jholcollege11]

Whoa man, I actually have Karma written down my spinal chord!! I'm not being negative!!! "If I came off across angry in my last post, its for good reason". If SMP is an option that worked , or works for you, I'm ultra stoked!!! Im only saying, this is not an option for me!!! I'm man enough to admit.... When I'm being rude, or negative. I'm not trying to offend anyone here on this board! @Dben, my friend, you are not correct with such a statement directed at me. I post plenty of positive, and reliable info. My friend, I wish you the very best in whatever decisions you make in life!!!! :):):)

Stylus 187, you are kind of a massive TOOLBOX!!! You are not here to help anyone as you claim. You very quickly called out one of my posts and gave a nice little sermon on "Cant we all just get along", but when I asked you a couple of days ago on another thread about testosterone boosting supplements (b/c you say this is your career) you never responded. Maybe if I had posted something negative that you didnt agree with you would have quickly "corrected" me. Your motives are clear. And I was very down on AC but they are posting pics now, so I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Are you? Put the gloves back on big guy, you will just get hurt!

[stylus187]

Stylus 187, you are kind of a massive TOOLBOX!!! You are not here to help anyone as you claim. You very quickly called out one of my posts and gave a nice little sermon on "Cant we all just get along", but when I asked you a couple of days ago on another thread about testosterone boosting supplements (b/c you say this is your career) you never responded. Maybe if I had posted something negative that you didnt agree with you would have quickly "corrected" me. Your motives are clear. And I was very down on AC but they are posting pics now, so I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Are you? Put the gloves back on big guy, you will just get hurt! Listen.... If I did not respond to you, its simply because I get over 150 emails daily. Lets start this conversation in the right direction. Yes... Im a human being, I make bad and good calls just like everyone else. Sir, you are 100% correct, I did post a comment about , Cant we all just get along!!! I still feel that way! Im not perfect, but my intentions are suited in the right direction. Ok.... Back to your question... 1. first of all, get your test levels checked. I can guarantee you , that you are way below 300. 2. Androgel, is on the safer side of testosterone therapy, (TRT) therapy... 3. If you want your testes to return to normal size, I would ask your DR. about (HCG) this will bring your "fellows" back to original size. By law, I cannot advise dosages!!! I'll be honest enough to say, I had to use Viagra for about 2 months, maybe less???? Why???? The penis tissue, and muscles attached need to be stimulated again! Its no different then muscle atrophy in your legs, brain, arms, ect... If they are not being used, the above mentioned, they will shrink!!! I wont even respond to being called a negative name... If Im such a negative person, why would I even bother giving any advise??!!! If Im wrong, I ask any DR. on this site to please correct me????????????

[jholcollege11]

Listen.... If I did not respond to you, its simply because I get over 150 emails daily. Lets start this conversation in the right direction. Yes... Im a human being, I make bad and good calls just like everyone else. Sir, you are 100% correct, I did post a comment about , Cant we all just get along!!! I still feel that way! Im not perfect, but my intentions are suited in the right direction. Ok.... Back to your question... 1. first of all, get your test levels checked. I can guarantee you , that you are way below 300. 2. Androgel, is on the safer side of testosterone therapy, (TRT) therapy... 3. If you want your testes to return to normal size, I would ask your DR. about (HCG) this will bring your "fellows" back to original size. By law, I cannot advise dosages!!! I'll be honest enough to say, I had to use Viagra for about 2 months, maybe less???? Why???? The penis tissue, and muscles attached need to be stimulated again! Its no different then muscle atrophy in your legs, brain, arms, ect... If they are not being used, the above mentioned, they will shrink!!! I wont even respond to being called a negative name... If Im such a negative person, why would I even bother giving any advise??!!! If Im wrong, I ask any DR. on this site to please correct me????????????

Dude, are you freaking kidding me? What are you responding to? I never said anything about my testes being small or shrinking or anything lat all about my package or reproductive organs. I suppose I should have known it isnt a testosterone issue since my "junk" isnt at all a problem. My bad ! Visit the thread again titled "Joe Rogan Taps out To Hair Loss"- I just said that I was researching symptoms of low testosterone levels and related to the following: low energy, inability to focus, and irritability- and you use this opportunity, on the wrong forum thread I might add, to tell me that you "guarantee" that I have well below 300 test level (when you know nothing about me), and then have the audacity to compare YOUR ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION to my question about low energy and that possibly being a side effect of low testosterone. Can you say PROJECTION? LOL. So what I gather from your above comments is that since I dont have testes shrinkage LIKE YOU DO, and problems "getting it up" LIKE YOU DO, that there must be another explanation for my symptoms of fatigue, irritability, and lack of focus, other than low testosterone levels. LOL thanks dude for accidentally answering my question. We have a name for guys like you where I live-- DOUCHEBAG!!!;)

[jholcollege11]

Also, the question I asked you on the "Joe Rogan taps out to hairloss" was about a GNC product called REFINE I am taking for toning purposes, and whether or not one of the ingridients in it-Fenugreek- can cause further hairloss in people, b/c it is known to increase testosterone levels. Looks like you had no intention of answering my question.

[stylus187]

Also, the question I asked you on the "Joe Rogan taps out to hairloss" was about a GNC product called REFINE I am taking for toning purposes, and whether or not one of the ingridients in it-Fenugreek- can cause further hairloss in people, b/c it is known to increase testosterone levels. Looks like you had no intention of answering my question. I would have answered your question. I have 0, shame saying while I was on Propecia, I had side effects. Thankfully, I no longer have to concern myself with any of the above mentioned. Look man, you can rag me and call me names it all golden.

[stylus187]

I would have answered your question. I have 0, shame saying while I was on Propecia, I had side effects. Thankfully, I no longer have to concern myself with any of the above mentioned. Look man, you can rag me and call me names it all golden. REFINE, I wouldnt use it. Im not a fan of thermos. Yes, this is making you crash! Its dropping your blood sugar, combined with the other supplement mentioned. I bet you feel the following, Lethargy, cravings for carbs, and a feeling of over training, and slight irritability! Both of these supplements, are making you have low blood sugar levels, and disrupting your IGF levels! This will actually work against you for any anabolic effects. Can I just be straight up??? Your diet has to be strict. 70% of the physique is all in the diet. Try arginine, and L-carnatine, much safer, and cleaner on the body. You will not crash from either one of the two.
Bro, you insult me, and I still feel obligated to help you out. You shouldn't jump to conclusions about people!!! Drop red meat from your diet for 30 days, watch what happens. Good Luck!!! Back to another question... excuse me if I'm incorrect.... I cant really see either of the two formulas making you lose hair. Personally, as mentioned above, I would drop the two..... just my 2 cents!!!!

[jholcollege11]

Thanks Stylus, but no, I am not experiencing those side effects from Refine. And actually, Refine is supposed to burn fat by speeding up metabolism without cutting muscle weight, so muscle building would seem possible - not questioning your knowledge, just stating my research. I am taking a vasodilator/ nitric oxide stimulator containing Arginine, along with the refine. I will say though, that I do not notice as much of the normal effect of the vasodilator as normal, so maybe you are correct in that the refine is defeating anabolic purposes.
I have a question for anyone who may know- Why did Artistry Concepts get banned on this site?? If you look back at some posts of theirs from a couple years ago, it says "banned" for the Artistry Concepts' profile. Just wondering what happened there :confused:

[jholcollege11]

http://www.************.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=86461&STARTPAGE=9&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

[jholcollege11]

the blocked out part says ************

[jholcollege11]

oh well, lol

[morrison]

jholcollege11, have you read this thread on this forum about Artistry Concepts? http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

I've read on another forum that Artistry Concepts was banned because they were trying to solicit business by sending private messages to forum users. Not sure if that’s true or not, however something quite serious must have taken place for them to have been banned. As we know they have been caught on other forums posting as 'happy' clients.

jholcollege11, whats the link your trying to post that's getting blocked? Write the blocked out part "l i k e t h i s" (with a space in-between)

[jholcollege11]

Yea man, it must have been bad b/c to get banned. ok ill try that- http://www.************.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=86461&STARTPAGE=9&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
blocked out part= h-a-i-r-l-o-s-s-h-e-l-p
A thread that the administrator closed due to shady business

[morrison]

Just found this which makes interesting reading http://goo.gl/0ccwB

Check out the post by DHT further down that page. No one can accuse him of being a shill for anyone, he has been a member on that forum for over 7 years with 1300+ posts to his name.

[jholcollege11]

Great link Morrison! Im glad to know that Im not the only one who feels mistreated by these guys. I received the same type of emails back from Gale. When I asked if I could request Mark to do my procedure, instead of his understudy- 20 something yr old Robert- she said no b/c it depends on the calendar. Well which is it? LOL. Im positive that jack21 and Dben and kraus etc are all Mark Weston or Gale or whomever they have plant these things. If you look at Jack21's post from last week where he posted pics, the wording is exactly the same as some of the emails I recieved from Gale, and that dude's image does not match his message-just my opinion. Also, somewhat unrelated-why did he post pics of himself with tape on his hands looking in the mirror? Did he hurt himself Punching walls or are they just trying to show that "hardass dudes come to AC"

[stylus187]

Thanks Stylus, but no, I am not experiencing those side effects from Refine. And actually, Refine is supposed to burn fat by speeding up metabolism without cutting muscle weight, so muscle building would seem possible - not questioning your knowledge, just stating my research. I am taking a vasodilator/ nitric oxide stimulator containing Arginine, along with the refine. I will say though, that I do not notice as much of the normal effect of the vasodilator as normal, so maybe you are correct in that the refine is defeating anabolic purposes.
I have a question for anyone who may know- Why did Artistry Concepts get banned on this site?? If you look back at some posts of theirs from a couple years ago, it says "banned" for the Artistry Concepts' profile. Just wondering what happened there :confused: Google Noxivol by CTD Labs. REFINE????? Thermos make me crash!!!! The thing with the supplement industry is this....Refine is supposed to burn fat by speeding up metabolism without cutting muscle weight, so muscle building would seem possible....

I learned alot about supplements by researching each and ever ingredient listed on the label. Man, you would be surprised at what some of these ingredients are. I have a friend who works for Gaspari Nutrition. I know the dude very well. They have a photo of him in MD, with his gut pushed out and looking like shit. Its all photo shopped! The second photo, 60 days later.... Is him in his normal shape, 0 editing in this photo. This guy does not go above 7% BF ever!!! My point is as follows. I don't trust the supplement industry. I trust a hand full of vendors. I sale Hormones, and Peptides. There is a big difference between the two above mentioned industries!!! Sir... Google the Fern chemical, I cant think of it off the top of my head!!! The profile alone suggest IGF levels being dropped. "When advising you earlier, I was merely taking an uneducated guess. I can only compare them to results that thermos gave me. Can I give you a free piece of advise. Stay away from all pro-hormones!! By any chance are you between 21 and 25 years of age??? There is a valid reason of why I am asking.... It depends on your hormonal levels. Pm me if you have a question!!! Current weight and height will help...... Sorry to hijack thread!!!:)

[jholcollege11]

Hey Stylus, I am 30, 31 next month. 6'0, 198 lbs, but trying to get down to 185. I have a good build but need more tone. Ive always found increased strength and vascularity from Nitric oxide stimulators and creatine, but this is first time Ive tried a thermo. Im just trying to cut fat without cutting into my muscle, but I understand that just b/c it is advertised, doesnt mean that is what the product will do. I work out alot and do cardio also, but it is a tough balance for me trying to cut weight and maintain/gain muscle and strength.

[stylus187]

Hey Stylus, I am 30, 31 next month. 6'0, 198 lbs, but trying to get down to 185. I have a good build but need more tone. Ive always found increased strength and vascularity from Nitric oxide stimulators and creatine, but this is first time Ive tried a thermo. Im just trying to cut fat without cutting into my muscle, but I understand that just b/c it is advertised, doesnt mean that is what the product will do. I work out alot and do cardio also, but it is a tough balance for me trying to cut weight and maintain/gain muscle and strength.Drop the creatine.... J, try this approach for a full month..
1. water only for all thirst requirements!
2. Drop all red meat from diet!
3. Toss your two supplements, at least for now!
4. Take your arginine with an empty stomach, always.... Dont eat 30 mins before or after!
5. My friend, crack down on your diet. If its white its not right.... in the diet world....
6. Stimulate your arginine with 300mgs of caffeine, or one raw shot 0 sugar of espresso.This will allow you to train at a good HIT level. You will not crash from 300mgs of caffeine.
7. Creatine has a tendency to hold a lot of water weight.

These are things Im sure you already know.

Are stats are similar. Im 35, 6ft 1.75 and weigh 188, on season... off season 215 to 225.
Cutting is a bitch.. I feel your pain. Bro, Im at the point in life, I dont have cheat meals anymore. I eat clean 365. The only reason I listed the 1-7 list is as follows, Its nice to freshen up on things you already know. sometimes the most simple problem is the easiest solution. I will follow with this, in conclusion.... While on Propecia, I had a hard time staying lean, and building muscle at the same time. Im not a lucky guy on this med, It gave me very mild gyno, for a short time. For me, none of the Propecia sides are acceptable. I only state this because I'm wondering if you take Propecia. To the other readers. BB, or hair loss... Info is Info... I dont feel like getting bashed. lol :) @ J, good luck man!! Im not sure if I helped you at all... If I brought up one valid suggestion, or point... Thats cool enough for me.. Stick with it!! You will lean out!!! It takes time. Yes, it sucks!!!!! One last thing... sorry man.. Check your creatine. Does it contain suagar, or artificial sweeteners????

[jholcollege11]

Thanks stylus, yea I know some of that stuff but it is good to hear from someone who knows their mens health. Yes I do take 2.5 mg of propecia, for 7 years now, and never really researched the side effects but i will make sure to talk to my doctor about this and how it may already affect me, as Im sure it does to some degree. As far as the creatine, I havent taken it in about a year b/c of the water retention it causes. I was at 180-185 last summer but I got very lazy in the fall and drank alot of beer and ate crap all during football season (big LSU and Saints fan), and gained alot of weight. I dont drink alcohol at all anymore. But right now Im taking the Refine and NO2. What would you recommend taking for the argenine instead of nitric oxide stim? I didnt know that about the expresso, I will try it.

[stylus187]

Thanks stylus, yea I know some of that stuff but it is good to hear from someone who knows their mens health. Yes I do take 2.5 mg of propecia, for 7 years now, and never really researched the side effects but i will make sure to talk to my doctor about this and how it may already affect me, as Im sure it does to some degree. As far as the creatine, I havent taken it in about a year b/c of the water retention it causes. I was at 180-185 last summer but I got very lazy in the fall and drank alot of beer and ate crap all during football season (big LSU and Saints fan), and gained alot of weight. I dont drink alcohol at all anymore. But right now Im taking the Refine and NO2. What would you recommend taking for the argenine instead of nitric oxide stim? I didnt know that about the expresso, I will try it.

I love Noxivol, by CTD Labs... Read the info label!! Its one of the only supplements from the AKG family that still impresses me. You can always buy a bag of just arginine and take 3 to 5 grams 2 or 3x daily. Sir... I wont train without arginine!! I love the pumps, and the psychological effects... Huh, psychological effects??? It just means while I supplement, I trick myself and say.. Im not gonna waste my time supplementing unless I train to complete failure. Its almost a mental game. I know you know what I mean! Try the following..... Massnutrition.com Island supplements.com way larger selection, and half the price of GNC! GNC should be illegal. always a fat chick, or some skinny ass kid trying to sale supplements that they claim to take. Im just sayin............ Noxivol... If you dont like it. I will wire money into a pay pal account. I promise, you wont be disappointed!!
Google its label. sick profile!!! Hey man!! Seriously... Best wishes. Pm me anytime. Sorry if we had a misunderstanding a few days back!

Just a thought??? ever thought of joining a bb web site??
May I, suggest a very professional one, and very honest as well??? worldclassbodybuilding.com tons of great post's and info there!

[Jack21]

I HATE being back on this forum. I hate trying to defend myself online. I mean at the end of the day you're going to believe what you're going to believe and there is really nothing I can do or say to convince you otherwise.

The picture of me with my hands taped? There's really no good reason why I took that picture. Maybe I was pissed off that day. Maybe I was just trying to look like a badass. I don't know. I take stupid pictures in the mirror sometimes. I can't be the only guy on earth who does that.

As for me not being me....well I'm not sure how to address that one. I know that there is a personal message feature on this website, no? Send me a personal message and I'll give you my e-mail or my facebook. You are more than welcome to be a facebook friend and to peruse the hundreds of pictures of me on there....not all of them stupid mirror poses (but there are some).

I guess I should be thankful that all you made fun of me for is trying to act like a tough guy.

I don't know what else to say, jhol. I'm not anyone from AC. I'm me. I'll find a picture of me not being a tough guy to attach.

Yours,

Jack





Great link Morrison! Im glad to know that Im not the only one who feels mistreated by these guys. I received the same type of emails back from Gale. When I asked if I could request Mark to do my procedure, instead of his understudy- 20 something yr old Robert- she said no b/c it depends on the calendar. Well which is it? LOL. Im positive that jack21 and Dben and kraus etc are all Mark Weston or Gale or whomever they have plant these things. If you look at Jack21's post from last week where he posted pics, the wording is exactly the same as some of the emails I recieved from Gale, and that dude's image does not match his message-just my opinion. Also, somewhat unrelated-why did he post pics of himself with tape on his hands looking in the mirror? Did he hurt himself Punching walls or are they just trying to show that "hardass dudes come to AC"

[jholcollege11]

I love Noxivol, by CTD Labs... Read the info label!! Its one of the only supplements from the AKG family that still impresses me. You can always buy a bag of just arginine and take 3 to 5 grams 2 or 3x daily. Sir... I wont train without arginine!! I love the pumps, and the psychological effects... Huh, psychological effects??? It just means while I supplement, I trick myself and say.. Im not gonna waste my time supplementing unless I train to complete failure. Its almost a mental game. I know you know what I mean! Try the following..... Massnutrition.com Island supplements.com way larger selection, and half the price of GNC! GNC should be illegal. always a fat chick, or some skinny ass kid trying to sale supplements that they claim to take. Im just sayin............ Noxivol... If you dont like it. I will wire money into a pay pal account. I promise, you wont be disappointed!!
Google its label. sick profile!!! Hey man!! Seriously... Best wishes. Pm me anytime. Sorry if we had a misunderstanding a few days back!

Just a thought??? ever thought of joining a bb web site??
May I, suggest a very professional one, and very honest as well??? worldclassbodybuilding.com tons of great post's and info there!

Hey Stylus, yea man I will check out massnutrition.com- as well as Noxivol. I suppose I am not educated enough on the stuff that is in these supps to really understand. I just usually go to bodybuilding.com or bodybuilder.com (lol honestly not sure which one it is off the top of my head) and check the ratings of supps but I realize that is just lazy for me not to do the research and they have their own agenda in rating these products. I appreciate all of your advice, you seem to know alot about nutrition and working out. I will check on just prices and places to get just Arginine and see what I can do there. Funny thing you said about GNC- I dont shop their much but when I bought the REFINE last week, it was from a kinda chunky girl (to be fair she did look like she works out alot aside from BIG hips and butt) who claimed she takes most of the products in the store- is that just part of how GNC trains their employees, to tell the customer they take it personally? Tragic. Anyhow, yea man sorry I was such a jerk a few days back- I have become WAY to emotionally invested in this SMP procedure and the fact that I lash out at complete strangers is evidence that I need to step back and evaluate my frame of mind. I'll check out that Worldclassbodybuilding.com. This is actually the first blog/forum experience Ive had, but I can see how using a nutrition-based forum could be invaluable. Thanks again bro, and good luck to you as well:)

[jholcollege11]

Hey has anyone seen that movie with Justin Timberlake called In Time from 2011- its on Red Box right now. The way he has his hair cropped like a buzz cut is exactly the look Im trying to achieve.

[stylus187]

Hey Stylus, yea man I will check out massnutrition.com- as well as Noxivol. I suppose I am not educated enough on the stuff that is in these supps to really understand. I just usually go to bodybuilding.com or bodybuilder.com (lol honestly not sure which one it is off the top of my head) and check the ratings of supps but I realize that is just lazy for me not to do the research and they have their own agenda in rating these products. I appreciate all of your advice, you seem to know alot about nutrition and working out. I will check on just prices and places to get just Arginine and see what I can do there. Funny thing you said about GNC- I dont shop their much but when I bought the REFINE last week, it was from a kinda chunky girl (to be fair she did look like she works out alot aside from BIG hips and butt) who claimed she takes most of the products in the store- is that just part of how GNC trains their employees, to tell the customer they take it personally? Tragic. Anyhow, yea man sorry I was such a jerk a few days back- I have become WAY to emotionally invested in this SMP procedure and the fact that I lash out at complete strangers is evidence that I need to step back and evaluate my frame of mind. I'll check out that Worldclassbodybuilding.com. This is actually the first blog/forum experience Ive had, but I can see how using a nutrition-based forum could be invaluable. Thanks again bro, and good luck to you as well:) Thanks J... I too, am guilty of lashing out... This is a very sensitive subject for all of us. Your cool in my book, My friend!!! Have a good one, Brother!!!!!

[Jack21]

I'm pretty sure that his hair is a bit longer than the look you can get with msp. I would guess that he's got it shaved with a #1 (hair clippers). I cut my hair with a # 1 guard (with a beard trimmer guard - much, much shorter) to make my growing hair blend in with the msp. I believe that most people use no guard on the clippers to achieve the most natural look.

I'm pretty sure that wherever you get it done, the results will look closer to Vin Diesel's head than to Timberlake's head in that movie.

I'm no expert though.



Hey has anyone seen that movie with Justin Timberlake called In Time from 2011- its on Red Box right now. The way he has his hair cropped like a buzz cut is exactly the look Im trying to achieve.

[jholcollege11]

Thanks J... I too, am guilty of lashing out... This is a very sensitive subject for all of us. Your cool in my book, My friend!!! Have a good one, Brother!!!!!

Right back atcha Stylus, I'll keep ya posted on how my diet is going and you let me know how everything is working with your Workouts and nutrition etc. Talk to ya later man:)

[jholcollege11]

I'm pretty sure that his hair is a bit longer than the look you can get with msp. I would guess that he's got it shaved with a #1 (hair clippers). I cut my hair with a # 1 guard (with a beard trimmer guard - much, much shorter) to make my growing hair blend in with the msp. I believe that most people use no guard on the clippers to achieve the most natural look.

I'm pretty sure that wherever you get it done, the results will look closer to Vin Diesel's head than to Timberlake's head in that movie.

I'm no expert though.

I hear ya man, but I think it depends on the amount of hair you already have going into it so that density can be achieved. I have a good amount but it is thin and I have fleshy spots, but I wouldnt mind doing the 0 guard thing either. Are you happy with the 1 guard cut?

[jholcollege11]

Just found this which makes interesting reading http://goo.gl/0ccwB

Check out the post by DHT further down that page. No one can accuse him of being a shill for anyone, he has been a member on that forum for over 7 years with 1300+ posts to his name.

Anyone serious about this procedure and considering Artistry Concepts should visit the above posted link, as well as this one http://www.************.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=50&threadid=93561&STARTPAGE=15&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

[jholcollege11]

for the blocked out part type h-a-i-r-l-o-s-s-h-e-l-p, without the dashes of course. Pretty revealing stuff

[jholcollege11]

Just found this which makes interesting reading http://goo.gl/0ccwB

Check out the post by DHT further down that page. No one can accuse him of being a shill for anyone, he has been a member on that forum for over 7 years with 1300+ posts to his name.

LOL ok that didnt work but just go to morrison's link above, and look on page 15 of the forum

[jholcollege11]

I HATE being back on this forum. I hate trying to defend myself online. I mean at the end of the day you're going to believe what you're going to believe and there is really nothing I can do or say to convince you otherwise.

The picture of me with my hands taped? There's really no good reason why I took that picture. Maybe I was pissed off that day. Maybe I was just trying to look like a badass. I don't know. I take stupid pictures in the mirror sometimes. I can't be the only guy on earth who does that.

As for me not being me....well I'm not sure how to address that one. I know that there is a personal message feature on this website, no? Send me a personal message and I'll give you my e-mail or my facebook. You are more than welcome to be a facebook friend and to peruse the hundreds of pictures of me on there....not all of them stupid mirror poses (but there are some).

I guess I should be thankful that all you made fun of me for is trying to act like a tough guy.

I don't know what else to say, jhol. I'm not anyone from AC. I'm me. I'll find a picture of me not being a tough guy to attach.

Yours,

Jack

Yea man I'll take you up on that. Message me your facebook link so I can see your results and see that you are who you say you are.

[morrison]

After spending hours online doing even more research, I just can't believe the lies that Artistry Concepts spews out about its competitors. On the following website (hairlosstattootruth.com) they recently created bashing His Hair Clinic they make some very outrageous claims, which they cannot back up, nor do they show any links to where any of what they claim, can be viewed. However having combed over the His Hair Clinic website, I can't find any of the stuff they claim that HIS has said/done about them.

I'm sorry but a company that goes around creating websites with false information about its competitors really must have a lot of time on their hands. The following statement made me laugh:

"FALSE Mark Weston Posts as Happy Clients on Hair Loss Forums"

I think Mark, you will find that to be TRUE, you have been busted many times in the past, happy clients posting in the lobby! Does that ring any bells?

Another statement on there:

"FALSE Mark Weston Banned From Hair Loss Forums"

Really? Maybe you have a different understanding of the word BANNED.

Mark Weston even claims on there "It has also come to our attention that several of HIS Hair Clinic's clients claimed that they have been told what to and what not to say on the HIS Forum."

I've read the HIS Hair Clinic forum and I have seen many posts on their showing HIS Hair clinic in a negative light, or that some members don't like Ian Watsons 'hair', however all them posts remain and don't get deleted. There are countless threads of happy/not so happy clients, one or two that want the process reversed etc. So as usual Mark Weston is talking out of his rear end, when he claims that people are told what to and what not to post on there.

He even bashes Good Look Ink on his website and its only a matter of time before he creates a special website bashing them as well. Business must really be real slow out in Englewood if he has time to create various websites bashing competitors and posting as 'happy' clients on forums.

All power to you if you think that going to AC is for you. But for me or anyone who does their homework will realise that is not the place where you would want to let anyone anywhere near my head.

[morrison]

jholcollege11, I believe this is the link you are trying to post: http://goo.gl/VaEky

There are countless cases of people posting on there a few years after having gone to Artistry Concepts. See some of the examples below that can be seen from the link above. And no one can accuse these and other guys on there of being shills, as they have been members on that forum long before Artistry Concepts even started tattooing heads in 2009.

"I met with a person who went to Artistry Concepts and all the dots pretty much bled together or just turned into a large blob instead of a tiny dot. I wasn't impressed."
jasonshadow - Member Since 10/16/2005

Yeah, it looked great at first, but now I literally have a line in the front of my head. I grew my hair out, so kind of tough to see now, but I need to get it fixed asap.
gap2117 - Member Since 05/05/2007

There are many 'happy' clients posting on this forum that they have just had the treatment done at AC and they are over the moon. Well the guys above are posting what has happened a few years later. Do you really want your head to turn out like that?

Seriously guys do your homework, this is not some little tattoo somewhere on your body which you can cover up, this is going to be on the top of your head!!!

[jholcollege11]

Yes, I came across that hairlosstruth crap a few weeks back and got a nice laugh. ON ACs website they talk so much about what can happen if you go to one of their competitors, the UK based one in particular (real subtle) and talk so much about pigments bleeding together and migrating. If you look on page 15 of that link morrison posted it has ac clients talking about their hairline tats blended together creating one straight line- Exactly what ac warns will happen with other providers. I agree with morrison that business must be slow for them to have all this time to bash HIS and GLI, but the more important issue is that it clearly reveals their character or lack thereof. I am wary of any business that acts in such a low class manner b/c if they are so hateful to their competition, what is going to happen when the client calls them and says they are having trouble with the pigments blending together and need an enhancement?? They will get very angry and tell you that is impossible b/c their achm2 method couldnt do that and then they will proceed to blame you (the client) saying you must have not followed aftercare. On that link morrison posted, a guy by screen name dht assassin says that when he asked about a particular style he wanted for his hairline, Gale- Mark's wife- responded saying that "Mark will determine the style you need. He is the artist and no one can tell him how to do his job." WOW!

[jholcollege11]

I guess jack 21 was bluffing, no Facebook link from him yet

[Jack21]

I sent you the link to my fb page.


I guess jack 21 was bluffing, no Facebook link from him yet

[Jack21]

I had a hair transplant almost ten years ago which left me with an enormous, horrible, Frankenstein Monster scar at the back of my head. That HT was the worst decision of my life. I wrote about it extensively on here about 18 months ago before I went the "medical tattoo" route. If you search Jack 21, you'll see the thread that went on for weeks with a lot of people offering a lot of advice. Anyway, the one "positive" (if a positive can come from something that made me virtually suicidal) was that the hair transplanted to the top of my head took hold and grew (and continue to grow).

As a result with the AC follicles and my own hair there is a good 3 D illusion. The thing of it is that in order to achieve the most realistic look my hair has to be very short. I mean I can grow my hair out to a #1 (what is that 1/4 inch?) but then the difference between my hair and the tattoo becomes more obvious. I don't go all the way down to no guard. I usually go with the #1 guard on the beard trimmer. Yesterday I actually used the #2 guard. For me that length of hair works the best.

If you take a look at the never ending thread that I started 18 months or go you'll see my whole story. To make a long story short I dealt with SO many different people in the "hair restoration" industry who were scummy predators who know just how absolutely desperate bald/balding men are and lied to and cheated me. I have always felt that the gang at AC were the only people in this whole ordeal who ever treated me with respect and kindness.

Anyway, whatever you do, do not get a hair transplant.



I hear ya man, but I think it depends on the amount of hair you already have going into it so that density can be achieved. I have a good amount but it is thin and I have fleshy spots, but I wouldnt mind doing the 0 guard thing either. Are you happy with the 1 guard cut?

[Jack21]

I don't know how long you've been on here, but you have a personal profile page where I've sent you my e-mail, and now my facebook and a couple of other notes. Just click on your own screen name. I think that will take you there.


I guess jack 21 was bluffing, no Facebook link from him yet

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Jack, I've commented on your posts a bit last year. Glad to see you're doing better and that what you've done has worked for me. The issue that I see with head tattooing would be that if a woman that you're with wants to feel your head but then feels no stubble of hair where the micro-pigmented tattoos are. What are your thoughts on that?

[Jack21]

Hey, good to hear from you again. The ONE good thing that I have going for me is that I still have a fair amount of hair on top. It is not enough to look like anything but a wispy, ugly mess when grown out, but when shaved it feels like stubble. When I rub the top of my head it feels the same as rubbing the sides of my head. I have not had any "incidents of detection" in intimate situations. What I have had a lot of is "Why do you shave your head? You're not balding?" or "Why don't you just grow that hair out?"


Jack, I've commented on your posts a bit last year. Glad to see you're doing better and that what you've done has worked for me. The issue that I see with head tattooing would be that if a woman that you're with wants to feel your head but then feels no stubble of hair where the micro-pigmented tattoos are. What are your thoughts on that?

[Delphi]

I guess jack 21 was bluffing, no Facebook link from him yet

Jake21 don't even bother with this fool, he’s just a shill working for one of AC’s competitors.

[jholcollege11]

Jake21 don't even bother with this fool, he’s just a shill working for one of AC’s competitors.

Lmao, yes I work for HIS, GLI, and NHI- u are really clever. Btw, Jack21 sent me his Facebook, and it seems he is a real guy. My apologies Jack21, the head looks good bro. Not saying AC doesn't do good work, they r just not my choice. I hope they do amazing work and I hope smp becomes available in every state so the prices go down on enhancements if I ever need one. Delphi, not only are u a huge Vagina, but u are pathetic and must be lonely to start crap over a procedure that u are not interested in. Either u r really bored or u are in fact employed by or affiliated with HT docs somehow. How'd your HT procedure turn out by the way?

[Jack21]

Delphi,

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. All I know is that I really dislike being back on this site. I was glad to be gone. I hope to disappear again very, very soon. Hope things are going OK for you.




Jake21 don't even bother with this fool, he’s just a shill working for one of AC’s competitors.

[Delphi]

Delphi,

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. All I know is that I really dislike being back on this site. I was glad to be gone. I hope to disappear again very, very soon. Hope things are going OK for you.

Things are good Jack. I would just forget about this fool and go back you your life.

[jholcollege11]

Delphi,

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. All I know is that I really dislike being back on this site. I was glad to be gone. I hope to disappear again very, very soon. Hope things are going OK for you.

Lol, dude, no one is forcing u or paying u to post here-- r they?? Bro after I have mine done I'm not coming back on these forums to argue with outa shape 50 yr olds like DELPHI who Apparently has the hobby of bashing any and every smp clinic out there.

[Jack21]

No worries, J. Thanks for the compliment. I am going to go back into baldtruth retirement now if nobody minds. I hope things work out for you J. and for you Delphi....and for all guys who have to deal with the misery that is balding. I don't remember who said it or if I agree with him, but the words were

"Dum spiro, spero" 'While I breath, I hope".


Lmao, yes I work for HIS, GLI, and NHI- u are really clever. Btw, Jack21 sent me his Facebook, and it seems he is a real guy. My apologies Jack21, the head looks good bro. Not saying AC doesn't do good work, they r just not my choice. I hope they do amazing work and I hope smp becomes available in every state so the prices go down on enhancements if I ever need one. Delphi, not only are u a huge Vagina, but u are pathetic and must be lonely to start crap over a procedure that u are not interested in. Either u r really bored or u are in fact employed by or affiliated with HT docs somehow. How'd your HT procedure turn out by the way?

[jholcollege11]

Things are good Jack. I would just forget about this fool and go back you your life.

Bro u are without a doubt, the biggest tool I've encountered online to date. What is your purpose for using this forum? All u do is tell people that smp is a bad idea. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with u guy? Are u here to learn about and discuss solutions or anything productive? If not u need to go find another place to "play". This is not amateur hour , so take your simple mind and go play with your blocks and let the grown ups talk. Bye bye little buddy

[jholcollege11]

Has anyone who used AC ever complained about their results having a blue tint to it? Particularly with dark black pigments to match dark hair? The reason I ask is b/c on another forum a guy who used GLI says his looks blue.

[happyididit]

Man I dont know what you guys are so hard on AC for. They are the best scalp micropigmentation clinic out there. I had mine done with them last month and it looks so amazing! I have no regrets. Mark and Robert are amazing artists and Gale is so nice. When my head has cured and healed I will post some pics on here and show how awesome it looks!

[morrison]

Man I dont know what you guys are so hard on AC for. They are the best scalp micropigmentation clinic out there. I had mine done with them last month and it looks so amazing! I have no regrets. Mark and Robert are amazing artists and Gale is so nice. When my head has cured and healed I will post some pics on here and show how awesome it looks!

Wow, another 'new' member who has just joined this forum to say how fantastic AC is.

And AC is the best scalp micropigmentation clinic out there??? How have you come to that conclusion? Have you had the process done by any of the other providers? I was not even aware that AC did scalp micropigmentation, as from their website they state that their method is called something totally different and they try to distance themselves from scalp micropigmentation, mht etc.

This thread seems to be full of newly registered members singing praises for AC. With the exception of a few the others do not have any pictures to share and ALL of them seem to register on here AFTER having had the treatment.

I'd imagine there are a few genuine AC clients on here who are happy with their results. However the question remains, will they they still be happy a few years down the line? If you read the link below, you can see AC clients who a few years after having the treatment found that the dots had bled together and turned into a large blob instead of a tiny dot. Or it looked great at first, but it ended up looking like literally having a line at the front of the head.

http://goo.gl/VaEky

[happyididit]

My fault man, you are correct. AC does ACHM2 which is superior to regular scalp micro pigmentation. I used the term SMP simply BC it is more relatable due to the fact that most are ill-informed about achm2 method. I was so excited about my results that I just had to join this forum to help other men in my situation. I can't wait for my scalp to heal so I can share my results with you all!

[jholcollege11]

My fault man, you are correct. AC does ACHM2 which is superior to regular scalp micro pigmentation. I used the term SMP simply BC it is more relatable due to the fact that most are ill-informed about achm2 method. I was so excited about my results that I just had to join this forum to help other men in my situation. I can't wait for my scalp to heal so I can share my results with you all!

Why did u just join this forum now after having procedure done? Most join well beforehand to learn more about the process. What other companies did u consider and when will u post pics?

[jholcollege11]

My fault man, you are correct. AC does ACHM2 which is superior to regular scalp micro pigmentation. I used the term SMP simply BC it is more relatable due to the fact that most are ill-informed about achm2 method. I was so excited about my results that I just had to join this forum to help other men in my situation. I can't wait for my scalp to heal so I can share my results with you all!

Why did u just join this forum now after having procedure done? Most join well beforehand to learn more about the process. What other companies did u consider and when will u post pics?

[morrison]

LOL, the mom and pop tattoo shop procedure by Artistry Concepts is better than the profesional outfits like NHI, HIS & GLI?

If you are going to make a bold statement like that then please share what you have based that on? Back it up with hard facts?

Because apart from the 'new' members who are popping up out of the woodwork saying how 'happy they are' after having had the procedure, when there are real AC clients who are saying that a few years after getting the procedure done at Artistry Concpets the ink has merged into a blob :eek:

[happyididit]

Their achm2 method is superior BC it can replicate over 100 more follicles per square inch,and AC uses smart pigments which is a powder base as opposed to temporary cosmetics inks which have a tendency to fade and change color. All of the information is on Artistry Concepts website if you wana check it out. I didn't join this forum until now BC I did not know about it until after my life changing achm2 procedure. Yes I visited GLI, NHI and HIS and quite frankly was not impressed with their professionalism or results, but after taking my trip to AC in englewood Florida, and met Mark Robert and Gale, I knew I had found my place.

[happyididit]

Of the three other places I visited - HIS, GLI, and NHI, I was most disappointed with HIS. HIS results look fake, and seem to mass-produce their product with dozens, maybe hundreds of different technicians so I'm not sure how they are able to produce the same results consistently. Yes HIS client's heads have the fakest looking hairlines and appear drawn , and the rest of the head looks like it was colored with a gray pencil. Sorry just my opinion.

[jholcollege11]

Of the three other places I visited - HIS, GLI, and NHI, I was most disappointed with HIS. HIS results look fake, and seem to mass-produce their product with dozens, maybe hundreds of different technicians so I'm not sure how they are able to produce the same results consistently. Yes HIS client's heads have the fakest looking hairlines and appear drawn , and the rest of the head looks like it was colored with a gray pencil. Sorry just my opinion.

Idk dude, I saw some pics on another forum that a HIS client posted and they looked amazing. He showed all angles under good lighting and I believe Morrison previously posted a link to that particular thread. All I've heard about AC is that their results do exactly what they warn against on their website- dots bleed together or migrate.

[morrison]

Of the three other places I visited - HIS, GLI, and NHI, I was most disappointed with HIS. HIS results look fake, and seem to mass-produce their product with dozens, maybe hundreds of different technicians so I'm not sure how they are able to produce the same results consistently. Yes HIS client's heads have the fakest looking hairlines and appear drawn , and the rest of the head looks like it was colored with a gray pencil. Sorry just my opinion.

Gosh you must be well off if you travelled to all them places. Your story is a similar story to forum member 'saved from baldness' who also said he travelled to see all the other providers and just like you, said their work was crap. The only thing was he said he had flown in to see HIS in LA at a time when they had not even opened up in LA, lol. Have not seen 'him' back on here since :rolleyes:

[morrison]

What I would like to see are some current pictures of people who had the procedure done at AC a few years ago. All this talk of the ink merging into blobs a few years later, from past AC clients, is rather worrying.

The following thread was started on this forum around 2.5 years ago by a member called ‘liquidissh’ http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333 who at the time has just had the procedure done at Artistry Concepts. He said he was happy with the outcome and also posted his pictures (one of which can be seen below) on that thread. He later removed the pictures, as other members were asking why some of the dots were too big. Mark Weston also posts on that thread trying to defend why the treatment looks like how it does.

It would be interesting to see what his head looks like now, 2.5 years down the line. However having just checked his profile, I can see that he has not logged on here for around 6 months.

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o543/morrison-/liquidssh.jpg

[jholcollege11]

Goodness gracious that looks bad!!!! Was that posted as a success story?? Does your head look like that "happy-idiot" lol. All I can say is if this is really ac's work they are not only robbing people financially but ruining their life. How is that legal? Awareness needs to be raised about Artistry Concepts in englewood Fla. Steer clear folks

[happyididit]

You guys are so pathetic and ignorant. It is easy to see that you both shill for HIS hair clinic. There is no way that the above photo is the work of AC, but rather the work of another business and posted to sabotage AC. I am not wealthy but used what money I had available to travel to all places because this is a big decision. I will post photos as soon as I'm healed.

[morrison]

You guys are so pathetic and ignorant. It is easy to see that you both shill for HIS hair clinic. There is no way that the above photo is the work of AC, but rather the work of another business and posted to sabotage AC. I am not wealthy but used what money I had available to travel to all places because this is a big decision. I will post photos as soon as I'm healed.

happyidiot, I don't shill for anyone dude. But it’s quite obvious from your posts who you shill for because Artistry Concepts is the only provider that accuses other providers of being shills. Everything I have posted is what I have found on the internet and on this forum. I'm not here to sabotage anyone, all I'm doing is researching 100% about a certain procedure and posting my findings.

Rather than calling genuine people pathetic and ignorant read the following thread: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

If anyone is ignorant around here, it's people who go a certain provider without doing their homework only to regret that decision later on down the road.

FACT: liquidssh is someone who posted saying that he had the procedure done at Artistry Concepts

FACT: That picture is 100% the work of Artistry Concepts - Contact the moderators on this forum and ask them to give you an archive of the above thread and which images were removed.

FACT: If you read the above thread you will see various instances of the picture and the way they talk about it (large dots at the front of the hairline) even YOU know it's the photo.

FACT: liquidssh posted pictures, which he later removed as he was being asked why the dots at the front at too big. Yet he was still happy, even though it looked like that.

FACT: Mark Weston, the owner of Artistry Concepts posts on the thread saying that the client must be perfectly still during this procedure and any movement on the part of the client can in some cases, may cause some distortion (referring to the huge dots that can be seen at the hairline).

So Mr 'New Member', before you accuse me of shilling for anyone, get your facts right and back up what you say with proof before making wild accusations.

[happyididit]

I do not know who liquidish is, but I know the work I experienced was nothing like the photo you published. How did you access that photo if it was removed? I read that particular thread and in no way did liquidish's comments indicate that he posted a photo, but he directed viewers to the AC gallery and stated that his photos could be viewed there. You seem to know a lot about this forum including moderators and IP addresses. Am I to believe that all of your time consuming"investigation" is purely motivated by a general interest in smp and achm2 procedures. What do you think of the work of GLI and NHI? Or does HIS only allow you to comment on AC?

[jholcollege11]

I do not know who liquidish is, but I know the work I experienced was nothing like the photo you published. How did you access that photo if it was removed? I read that particular thread and in no way did liquidish's comments indicate that he posted a photo, but he directed viewers to the AC gallery and stated that his photos could be viewed there. You seem to know a lot about this forum including moderators and IP addresses. Am I to believe that all of your time consuming"investigation" is purely motivated by a general interest in smp and achm2 procedures. What do you think of the work of GLI and NHI? Or does HIS only allow you to comment on AC?

Lol, looks like Mark and Gale are back at it again. I won't waste time, happy idiot is obviously them or one of their associates.

[Delphi]

Happyididit is a shill and jhoicollege11 is probably a shill too. He will eventually expose who he’s promoting, they always do.

[happyididit]

Happyididit is a shill and jhoicollege11 is probably a shill too. He will eventually expose who he’s promoting, they always do.

I'm sorry to disappoint you brother but I do not shill. I am just a satisfied customer of AC. After viewing your previous posts I see the majority of them seem to be anti-scalp micro pigmentation. It would appear that you either have an extremely unhealthy hatred for this procedure, or you sir are affiliated with hair transplant industry and are attempting to spread negative false info about achm2 and smp. Either way you are a sad case.

[Delphi]

I'm sorry to disappoint you brother but I do not shill. I am just a satisfied customer of AC. After viewing your previous posts I see the majority of them seem to be anti-scalp micro pigmentation. It would appear that you either have an extremely unhealthy hatred for this procedure, or you sir are affiliated with hair transplant industry and are attempting to spread negative false info about achm2 and smp. Either way you are a sad case.


Interesting phrasing. Just keep posting, you’ll eventually hang yourself. I’m sure others here can see that You are a pure shill my friend. You’re too funny! You’re not doing AC any favors and are probably hurting their credibility.

[jholcollege11]

Happyididit is a shill and jhoicollege11 is probably a shill too. He will eventually expose who he’s promoting, they always do.

Lol, why do you keep posting on these threads bud? Are you that lonely that you need to start crap with complete strangers? What are you accomplishing? Try contributing something....anything. If you don't like smp then tell us what regiment you are on. What has been your solution that has contributed to your "full filling life?" Until now your posts suggest you are disturbed and have nothing to contribute to this forum, or society. Have a good one big guy.

[Delphi]

Lol, why do you keep posting on these threads bud? Are you that lonely that you need to start crap with complete strangers? What are you accomplishing? Try contributing something....anything. If you don't like smp then tell us what regiment you are on. What has been your solution that has contributed to your "full filling life?" Until now your posts suggest you are disturbed and have nothing to contribute to this forum, or society. Have a good one big guy.

I have hundreds of posts no this forum and I will continue to warn people of shills like the both of you. Tattooing your head is NOT a solution for hair loss and will only cause the poor guys that fall into your web a lot of heart ach in the future. You can insult me all you want.

[jholcollege11]

The simple fact that you are calling me a shill reveals you have not done your homework. It is comical. I am one of those "poor guys" you are describing and I am trying to gather as much info as I can about smp and the clinics that offer it and your interference with my sincere search for answers preceeds my posting- - when I was reading through numerous threads on smp I kept seeing Delphi posts that instigated conflict with different forum members who were also not shills. I guess you are nothing more than a reminder that no matter where we go in this life there will always be trouble-makers like you. And if you would provide some intelligent feedback or alternative solution options I may have an easier time believing that you are actually trying to help people and not just be a trouble-maker. SPOILER ALERT- Delphi's reply- - "yea whatever shill. You work for a smp company Durrr, head tattoos are stupid, durrr."

[Delphi]

The simple fact that you are calling me a shill reveals you have not done your homework. It is comical. I am one of those "poor guys" you are describing and I am trying to gather as much info as I can about smp and the clinics that offer it and your interference with my sincere search for answers preceeds my posting- - when I was reading through numerous threads on smp I kept seeing Delphi posts that instigated conflict with different forum members who were also not shills. I guess you are nothing more than a reminder that no matter where we go in this life there will always be trouble-makers like you. And if you would provide some intelligent feedback or alternative solution options I may have an easier time believing that you are actually trying to help people and not just be a trouble-maker. SPOILER ALERT- Delphi's reply- - "yea whatever shill. You work for a smp company Durrr, head tattoos are stupid, durrr."

Here’s a intelligent comment, it's a HEAD TATOO, it is not a treatment for hair loss. It’s a two dimensional permanent drawing on your head that will eventually look like hell. Your skin is a organ that is always changing, with it so will your head tattoo.

[jholcollege11]

OK, what about two dimensional tats in the midst of many thin hairs? How do you feel about that- not for the purpose of creating but enhancing or giving appearance of density? This is my goal, I already have a hairline but very thin coverage on top

[happyididit]

I do not know who liquidish is, but I know the work I experienced was nothing like the photo you published. How did you access that photo if it was removed? I read that particular thread and in no way did liquidish's comments indicate that he posted a photo, but he directed viewers to the AC gallery and stated that his photos could be viewed there. You seem to know a lot about this forum including moderators and IP addresses. Am I to believe that all of your time consuming"investigation" is purely motivated by a general interest in smp and achm2 procedures. What do you think of the work of GLI and NHI? Or does HIS only allow you to comment on AC?

Still awaiting your response Morrison. Where are you?

[morrison]

I do not know who liquidish is, but I know the work I experienced was nothing like the photo you published. How did you access that photo if it was removed? I read that particular thread and in no way did liquidish's comments indicate that he posted a photo, but he directed viewers to the AC gallery and stated that his photos could be viewed there. You seem to know a lot about this forum including moderators and IP addresses. Am I to believe that all of your time consuming"investigation" is purely motivated by a general interest in smp and achm2 procedures. What do you think of the work of GLI and NHI? Or does HIS only allow you to comment on AC?

Mark/Gale (the owners of Artistry Concepts), AKA "happyididit", take a look at the following on the internet archieve:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100109115331/http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

Compare it to the thread now:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1333

In the former you can see at the time liquidssh posted his pictures and later on removed them due to other members on the forum asking why are the dots too big (see his picture below).

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o543/morrison-/liquidssh.jpg

As for knowing an awul lot about this forum, anyone with half a brain will know that moderators will have access to any changes made, pictures removed etc, it’s not rocket science. Also I don't recall mentioning IP addresses in my post? That’s what the people over at Artistry Concpets always go on about, "IP Addresses" & "Proxy Servers", hence you mentioning "IP Addresses" in your post :D

As for what I have found out about the other providers NHI, HIS and GLI, they all seem like professional establishments and whenever I have emailed them any questions I always got prompt courteous responses, something that I did not get when emailing Artistry Concepts. Researching more and more online I'm finding that AC is extremely shady, their website is full of 'information' putting their competitors down and scare tactics about how the ink will bleed or fade if anyone goes to any other provider, apart from themselves. It was when I found the following threads on an independent hair loss forum about Artistry Concepts, that got me asking for older members (like liquidssh) of this forum, who had the procedure done at AC to come forward and share pictures of how it's looking now, a few years down the line (becasue if it looked like how it did when they had it done in the above picture, I'd be interesting to see what it's looking like now):

http://goo.gl/0ccwB
Check out the post by DHT further down that page. No one can accuse him of being a shill for anyone, he has been a member on that forum for over 7 years with 1300+ posts to his name.

http://goo.gl/VaEky
There are countless cases of people posting on there a few years after having gone to Artistry Concepts. See some of the examples below that can be seen from the link above. Again no one can accuse these and other guys on there of being shills, as they have been members on that forum long before Artistry Concepts even started tattooing heads in 2009.

"I met with a person who went to Artistry Concepts and all the dots pretty much bled together or just turned into a large blob instead of a tiny dot. I wasn't impressed."
jasonshadow - Member Since 10/16/2005

Yeah, it looked great at first, but now I literally have a line in the front of my head. I grew my hair out, so kind of tough to see now, but I need to get it fixed asap.
gap2117 - Member Since 05/05/2007


Mark/Gale, AKA "happyididit", the truth is the truth and it's all out there for all to see. All your past forum/internet history is out there to be seen. If you delete/remove anying or ask any of your clients to do the same, it can still be accessed :)

[jholcollege11]

Nice Morrison! you have helped me as much as anyone, by helping me eliminate AC as an option. Im not going to be mean or spiteful like I have been in the past, but I will simply say that these guys don't seem to have any business doing this kind of procedure. It is just wrong what they do to people, knowing what the outcome will be. No wonder they are so shady and rude over the phone.

[Jack21]

double post

[happyididit]

Haha, OK Morrison. You have proven my point with your last post. It looks like you went to a lot of trouble on your book report there. The exact same fake AC pic and everything, very intelligent. Read that thread again brother, liquidish never posted any photo and any genius like yourself should understand context clues. If you are so against AC but interested in having smp, why have you spent all of your time and effort bashing those guys instead of finding a company that suits you better? I believe the answer is that you are not really an interested client but are in fact employed by one of ac's competition. It is funny to me how you avoid questions such as these and purposely try and use incorrect grammar to sound like a dumb redneck. Nice try HIS shill

[Delphi]

Very interesting new development in the head tattoo shill business. Looks like Jholcollege11 and happyididit are the same person. I wrote a message to jholcollege on a another thread that he tried to hijack and he responded angrily as usual but this time mistakenly as his alter shill ego “happyididit”. Funny how he was screaming this whole time that he was a legit person looking for answers about head tattoos.:)
Here’s the link:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8241&page=6

[Delphi]

Still awaiting your response Morrison. Where are you?

Still awaiting a response from happyididit and his alter ego jholcollege11. Where are you? LOL :D

[Delphi]

It is funny to me how you avoid questions such as these and purposely try and use incorrect grammar to sound like a dumb redneck. Nice try HIS shill

This is just too funny! The nerve to call someone else a shill. I would love to hear your explanation for this. I wonder if we can deduce who you work for from all of your shilling activity. We know it's not HIS and it's not AC. Any ideas people?

[JonB.]

Been almost 6 months since I had the HIS service done in NY city..

Lifes great...No fuss ..no muss...I'm not dealing with the Couvre or the toppek....I don't care about the rain...the wind....

Life is much nicer. I think I look younger with this new short crisp clean look. I'm hanging tough at 52 rolling up on 53 years old this year.

I strongly suggest anyone considering this type of look to check out HIS services....

[mep0812]

JonB..could you post a few before and after pics?

[JonB.]

JonB..could you post a few before and after pics?

if you click on my name and look at my album in this forum you will see the before and after photos...

hth

[Dben153662]

Its been over 2 months i had it done at AC and im as happy as i can be. I didnt wear my cap to a family gathering we had last night. And everyone said i looked fine, looks like i just trimmed my hair.

[JonB.]

Have you heard/learned anything more about AC? Does anyone else do this who isn't on the east coast? (I'm in soCal) Thanks...

HIS MHT does have an office in California.. I think they are opening up there second office in California so check them out. Its a two or three session service and it might behove you to have them in your state for each of the two or three services..

I am very happy with the MHT process from HIS.

[morrison]

Very interesting new development in the head tattoo shill business. Looks like Jholcollege11 and happyididit are the same person. I wrote a message to jholcollege on a another thread that he tried to hijack and he responded angrily as usual but this time mistakenly as his alter shill ego “happyididit”. Funny how he was screaming this whole time that he was a legit person looking for answers about head tattoos.:)
Here’s the link:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8241&page=6

Well spotted Delphi.

You don’t have to be Einstein to figure out which company this is. Attempting to play good cop bad cop with the use of 2 ID’s, in an attempt to show 2 providers in a bad light by ‘trying’ to play them off against each other. Is business really that slow, that they need to resort to these kind of underhand tactics.

[Delphi]

Well spotted Delphi.

You don’t have to be Einstein to figure out which company this is. Attempting to play good cop bad cop with the use of 2 ID’s, in an attempt to show 2 providers in a bad light by ‘trying’ to play them off against each other. Is business really that slow, that they need to resort to these kind of underhand tactics.

Which company is it? I'm sure everyone would love to know. What's really crazy is the lengths this shill went with his BS. He was attacking everyone!

[jholcollege11]

Hey guys, I just wanted to appologize for my having two accounts-Jholcollege11 and happyididit- The reason I created happyididit was an attempt to expose fake posting by artistry concepts. I thought that if I created happyididit and presented myself as a satisfied customer of AC that was willing to present pics, that the accounts of guys I believed to be "undercover AC" employees would post investegatory questions that would, at least for me, reveal that they were fake posters and I could eliminate them as a possibility of clinics I chose. Also, I had strong suspicions that Morrison was an undercover shill for HIS, so I was also attempting to prove (to myself) that HIS does undercover posting. My thinking was These two discoveries would help me eliminate both of these companies as options, and I could proceed with good conscience to my #1 choice. The moderator was kind enough to give me this opportunity of redemption, and to return to the community. Also, I have given the moderator my full name and revealed my Actual career path (I say path b/c I am still a student-hence the account name) and have emailed before and after pics to the moderator. Yes, I had my procedure done last Tuesday, May 1st, and I am pretty happy with the results. A big change for me and my confidence. Holding true to my word, I wont reveal the company I used, b/c this is not my purpose for being on this forum. If however anyone wants to know or see before and afters, I may email that info to them, but it depends on the person requesting this. I do feel at this point that the four leading companies on SMP in the U.S. are very close in final results, so I am not an advocator for one particular company, but rather SMP in general as a solution for certain guys, not all. I believe the choice to have SMP, MHT, or CHTR at a particular company is strictly up to the individual and based on many different things including but not limited to- location, price-range, expectations/preferences. Anyway, Again I am sorry for my dishonesty and if I disrupted or tainted anyones decision process on this matter or any other, I sincerely appologize. Thanks guys!:)

[jholcollege11]

Which company is it? I'm sure everyone would love to know. What's really crazy is the lengths this shill went with his BS. He was attacking everyone!

No shill here, just guy trying to learn some stuff through a flawed method. I gave all of my info to the moderator,including my pictures. and I don't believe I ever attatcked anyone. Im sorry yall feel that way but I am happy with my decision to have the procedure done, and after having it, I still will not publicly promote the company I used so if you still think Im a shill, I have nothing left to offer as proof. The ignorance on this matter is baffling. The company I went to was Really really busy and Im sure that at least 3 of the providers do not have time for shilling. Morrison is the likely shill, but I won't get into how I figured that one out, b/c it will just cause more drama. Jholcollege11 has got nothing but love for ya anyway.:)

[25 going on 65]

lol. Shadier than a head tattoo parlor.

[Delphi]

No shill here, just guy trying to learn some stuff through a flawed method. I gave all of my info to the moderator,including my pictures. and I don't believe I ever attatcked anyone. Im sorry yall feel that way but I am happy with my decision to have the procedure done, and after having it, I still will not publicly promote the company I used so if you still think Im a shill, I have nothing left to offer as proof. The ignorance on this matter is baffling. The company I went to was Really really busy and Im sure that at least 3 of the providers do not have time for shilling. Morrison is the likely shill, but I won't get into how I figured that one out, b/c it will just cause more drama. Jholcollege11 has got nothing but love for ya anyway.:)

Well is does take big balls to come back here and apologize, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to stupidity.:eek:For your sake I really hope your tattoo lasts and works out for you.

[jholcollege11]

I'm so glad that I'm not one of the bitter cowards who only use this forum to complain about being bald with their "pretend cyber buddies" and then pat each other on the back as they bash a guy with enough balls to take a chance on a procedure that can at least help- not cure- the situation. My guess is half of the anti smp guys on here really aren't concerned about finding a solution, but simply need a platform to spew their negativity and hate onto, without any consequences that exist in REAL LIFE. At the end of the day you are nothing more than scared boys hiding behind screen names. I wish this was a network of guys that want to actually assist each other in finding peace and happiness within themselves, by whatever solution is best for that individual. Every time you say negative things about another member, whether his solution is wigs, plugs or smp, you stray further from the purpose and objective of this forum - simply to help and encourage one another. Come on Delphi, I believe you are better than that!:)

[Delphi]

I'm so glad that I'm not one of the bitter cowards who only use this forum to complain about being bald with their "pretend cyber buddies" and then pat each other on the back as they bash a guy with enough balls to take a chance on a procedure that can at least help- not cure- the situation. My guess is half of the anti smp guys on here really aren't concerned about finding a solution, but simply need a platform to spew their negativity and hate onto, without any consequences that exist in REAL LIFE. At the end of the day you are nothing more than scared boys hiding behind screen names. I wish this was a network of guys that want to actually assist each other in finding peace and happiness within themselves, by whatever solution is best for that individual. Every time you say negative things about another member, whether his solution is wigs, plugs or smp, you stray further from the purpose and objective of this forum - simply to help and encourage one another. Come on Delphi, I believe you are better than that!:)
Dude, you really need to chill! I said it took balls for you to come back. I was actually giving you a complement. Holy shit just relax! I wish you luck.

[jholcollege11]

Dude, you really need to chill! I said it took balls for you to come back. I was actually giving you a complement. Holy shit just relax! I wish you luck.

Much appreciated! I wish u a blessed life sir.:)

[mep0812]

College11..will you post some before and after pics here or only through private e-mail? I would really like to see some pics..

[jholcollege11]

College11..will you post some before and after pics here or only through private e-mail? I would really like to see some pics..

Hey Mep, Im not gona post any pics on this forum but possibly through email. I have a question for you, why did you warn people two years ago that HIS results will fade out and that the client will have to keep going back for touchups? What are you basing this information off of? Also, you went on to say that you believed AC was the leading provider in this field. I am not defending HIS,I did not use them. The fading thing may be true, idk, but I was just curious if you learned that HIS fades, from a valid source. Also, when you posted that comment, was about the time AC and HIS were feuding big time, so not to accuse you of anything but it sounds like something the AC folks wouldve planted under false name. I understand if you just read that on their website, b/c when I first starting researching, I read their site and they make it seem like they are the only provider that wont fade, or change color, or bleed. They also imply that HIS results will change color, by refering to them indirectly as "the UK provider."

[mep0812]

Hey Mep, Im not gona post any pics on this forum but possibly through email. I have a question for you, why did you warn people two years ago that HIS results will fade out and that the client will have to keep going back for touchups? What are you basing this information off of? Also, you went on to say that you believed AC was the leading provider in this field. I am not defending HIS,I did not use them. The fading thing may be true, idk, but I was just curious if you learned that HIS fades, from a valid source. Also, when you posted that comment, was about the time AC and HIS were feuding big time, so not to accuse you of anything but it sounds like something the AC folks wouldve planted under false name. I understand if you just read that on their website, b/c when I first starting researching, I read their site and they make it seem like they are the only provider that wont fade, or change color, or bleed. They also imply that HIS results will change color, by refering to them indirectly as "the UK provider."

When i first started looking into this years ago I met with a women in Atlanta who was doing micropigmentation on eyebrows and a few heads. She had a website so I went for a consult..she told me about the HIS group in England and was thinking about trying to contract with them and using their method..she is the one who informed me that their process would fade over time and require touch ups due to the kind of ink..She never mentioned AC..really not sure if one method is different from another..I guess the only way to determine if the procedure will fade is for someone to post before pics and then again at six months, one year and maybe two. Hope yours comes out great and will share some pics.

[jholcollege11]

Hey Me, just email me at bambam1185@Hotmail.com, I'll send u some before and afters if that will help u. It has only been seven days since mine so not sure how helpful that'll be for ya but can at least give u idea of immediate result

[jholcollege11]

Sorry, I meant to say Mep0812, email me

[jholcollege11]

e clinicsWhen i first started looking into this years ago I met with a women in Atlanta who was doing micropigmentation on eyebrows and a few heads. She had a website so I went for a consult..she told me about the HIS group in England and was thinking about trying to contract with them and using their method..she is the one who informed me that their process would fade over time and require touch ups due to the kind of ink..She never mentioned AC..really not sure if one method is different from another..I guess the only way to determine if the procedure will fade is for someone to post before pics and then again at six months, one year and maybe two. Hope yours comes out great and will share some pics.

Hey Mep, I agree about the two.year and longer pics and how they could really shed light on the mystery of longevity. Unfortunately I have been unable to find any, other than seeing different owners and employees of these companies but you never know if they are getting weekly or monthly touch ups and their actual original procedure date. Its a craps shoot but I took the risk. I say risk BC we as clients really have no test of time results. The general consensus is that the results do lose their sharpness and definition and fade over time, regardless of the care u give your head. Most people say that enhancements are needed over the years and this maintenance is required.the clinics themselves won't tell u this but it is pretty much common sense.